From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Hunter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs and osx Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:34:12 GMT Organization: TIN Message-ID: References: <_D97e.1227972$35.44954684@news4.tin.it> <0qb7e.1228649$35.44974099@news4.tin.it> <87k6n6398w.fsf@xs4all.nl> <425D54AF.4000208@yahoo.com> <85y8bm8syu.fsf@gnu.org> <85u0ma8rn6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113417400 24853 80.91.229.2 (13 Apr 2005 18:36:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 13 20:36:39 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLmhl-0005IW-15 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:35:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLmIK-00084R-3t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:08:56 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!area.cu.mi.it!news.newsland.it!news-out.tin.it!news-in.tin.it!news3.tin.it.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: <85u0ma8rn6.fsf@gnu.org> Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.180.203.146 Original-X-Complaints-To: "Please send abuse reports to abuse@tin.it and technical notifications to newsmaster@tin.it" Original-X-Trace: news3.tin.it 1113417252 80.180.203.146 (Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:34:12 MET DST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:34:12 MET DST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.emacs:88585 gnu.emacs.help:130086 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25653 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25653 Yes, emacs-tetris is small, but emacs is still a huge text editor. What about the other such (extra) objects who build up to 120MB? One should be able to choose whether to have games, as well as option x, y, or z, rather than being forced to have them. This is my point. I understand you do not share it, and I respect your view, but please allow me to be less integralist and more open to change. David Kastrup wrote: >>Oh, no, that was not my intention. Indeed, I meant a "better menu", >>i.e. one that is more intuitive, and I perceive that other >>applications, especially under osx, are *much* more >>intuitive. Perhaps the port of emacs to osx will have the added >>value of improved user experience? I very much hope so. I very, >>very, very, ... , very much hope so. > > > I don't. There is no sense in improving Emacs just on one platform. I did not mean osx only. ;-) > If people have sensible ideas that can be put into practice, they > should also have the decency to do the work of having them integrated > into the mainline. Yes, I a gree with you. > There is nothing to be gained by dozens of incompatible defaults in > circulation. Yes, I a gree with you. > Those belong into the Emacs distribution. Maybe not as a system > default, but at least as a customization theme. In that manner, you > can get your "improved" "MacOsX" behavior on a Windows or Solaris > Emacs by a single customization of their Emacs, and Windows users can > make your MacOSX Emacs behave like they are accustomed to with a > single customization, too. Yes, I agree with you. I only meant, and hoped for, a more intuitive menu. Bob