From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xavier Maillard Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 06:10:08 +0200 Organization: GNU's NOT Unix! Message-ID: References: <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> <8736lm30lz.fsf@web.de> <864l61j04d.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190511073254.GB29829@tuxteam.de> <20190608085246.GC28228@tuxteam.de> <20190608211453.GB17290@tuxteam.de> <87zhmrn45s.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="185313"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 11 06:24:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haYKS-000m7z-P7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 06:24:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51750 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1haYKR-0008A8-QT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:24:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54021) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1haYKI-0007kE-KZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:24:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1haY6v-0004zZ-Ms for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from 129.ip-51-38-48.eu ([51.38.48.129]:55512 helo=maillard.im) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1haY6v-0004x0-90 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:10:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=maillard.im; s=mail; t=1560226208; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:to:to: cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gaFXCnlWSxNZuwF5gqQBcynlC7XK6HAjXotHEernWpY=; b=lKWEz2M232ZAjww3TFaxRB+S4KBONarDZyqLRzZhTXxJau2WJBRtDOZwPr6Lu4EKCBNgWw EUx2mpT4sObqCshp/Y4eG7zL+GtbjMFb7eVGeDqCSMDV4f9NbgAjhhP+TV+WIxXmypeg8i FhlMy9IQsCwgiGye9yZqtjM4mTXgMRc= In-Reply-To: <87zhmrn45s.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:44:15 +0200) Jabber-ID: xavier@maillard.im X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 51.38.48.129 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120899 Archived-At: > From: =C3=93scar Fuentes > Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:44:15 +0200 >=20 > tomas@tuxteam.de writes: >=20 > > On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Samuel Wales wrote: > >> On 6/8/19, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 07, 2019 at 05:26:10PM -0700, Samuel Wales wrote: > >> >> well, for me as a mere user, i just want elisp [per se] to run fa= ster. > >> >> maybe that has 1000 definitions, but the 3 things that i have rea= d in > >> >> this thread wfm as PERFECT targets for speeding up and would make > >> >> emacs even better for me. > >> > > >> > Buy a faster computer, then :-) > >>=20 > >> i was going to add somethning like "without buying a supercomputer" > >> but figured nobody would say to get a new computer. > > > > [...] > > > > Yeah, I know. That's why I put a smiley in there. Single-thread speed > > hasn't advanced for a while (on commodity hardware, at least) and it > > seems it'll stay so for yet another while. >=20 > Yep, we can't count on the hardware guys anymore to resolve our > performance problems, we are forced to improve what we have if we wish > to broaden what our tools can do on terms of data volume and/or > complexity. I would say that it is fortunate. I did not buy the argument to let the hardware optimize all the sucky software. At least, this is going to be fun and all we need need is skilled people (which I am not ;) ). - xma GPG: BA4909B7 8F04DE1B