From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: "like other editors" [was: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete] Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20111003093334.0bf5d988@kuru.homelinux.net> <4E89B613.9060305@mousecar.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317693306 2540 80.91.229.12 (4 Oct 2011 01:55:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 01:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org To: gebser@mousecar.com Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 04 03:55:02 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RAuDl-0006iI-Ik for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 03:55:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57348 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAuDl-0005pg-5L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAuDg-0005pN-AT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAuDf-00031p-2M for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:54:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:42919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAuDe-00031l-Vl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:54:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAuDe-0005tp-1J; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:54:54 -0400 In-reply-to: <4E89B613.9060305@mousecar.com> (message from ken on Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:18:11 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82433 Archived-At: The abstract arguments about this change have already been brought up in discussions among the Emacs developers. That is not the help we need. What I hope the poll will provide is additional factual information on how the change affects Emacs users. Thus, the poll asks you how the change affects you in your own editing. Without the poll, we have to try to guess that. With the poll, we will know. Secondly, there are places in the world where people haven't ever used Windows; instead, their first and only experience with computers is with Linux. You can't have an experience with Linux as an end user, because Linux is a kernel. It has no user interface, and users don't talk to it directly. Since you are thinking of an operating system that might replace Windows, I am sure the system you have in mind is the GNU system, which is typically used with Linux. When you talk about the system, please don't call it "Linux". If you do that, you give the credit for our work to someone else who got involved much later and did a smaller part of the system. Would you please call the system "GNU/Linux" and give us equal mention? For more explanation, see http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html for historical background. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/