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From: nospam@dev.null (Alexey Pustyntsev)
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up?
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:37:50 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1KkfQE-00089t-Ru@sycore.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fxni7yq1.fsf@gmail.com> (Paul R.'s message of "Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:46:30 +0200")


Hi!

Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:56:22 -0700, Chetan <Chetan.xspam@xspam.sbcglobal.net> said:
> Chetan> It looks like it is difficult to get everyone to agree on what
> Chetan> is needed. Isn't it better to create addons that people can
> Chetan> install if they so desire? That way there is no immediate
> Chetan> change forced onto the users. The addons that are popular can
> Chetan> later be incorporated into main.
>
> Emacs is the most extensible and the most community-extended software
> created ever. This thread is about *defaults*, because defaults drive
> user habits, because defaults are why most people stick to a
> software

I seriously doubt that sticking to highly customizable software is
necessarily based on its defaults. 

> or give up in the first few days, because defaults are the reflect of
> an evolving mindset amongst core developers.

Considering the people that use Emacs, I think the defaults should be
as neutral as possible. Honestly, my first impression of Emacs was
rather unfavourable, but I must admit that was exactly due to my
habits spoiled by MS mainstream software. However, that didn't bar me
from the Emacs users club. Once I started trying to find answers to my
questions in the Emacs documentation, it became more and more evident
how erroneous my conclusion was. So, I think the best approach to
resolve the 'new blood' problem is to focus  on **how and what Emacs
can do for you** (EmacsWiki is doing good job) than on what its
current defaults are. There is no need to worry about the defaults
very much. They may be changed, of course, but, actually, there is no 
problem with them since they are easily customizable. Some people are
just making a storm in a teacup. After all, Emacs is not just an
editor, it's a whole lisp environment.  

-- 
Rgds
Alexey

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 55th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174




  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-30 13:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-16  5:28 How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Davin Pearson
2008-09-16  7:39 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-16  8:47   ` Davin Pearson
2008-09-16  8:14 ` Adam Rooke
2008-09-16  8:44 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-16  8:44 ` Charles Sebold
2008-09-16 20:57   ` Xah
2008-09-17  1:22     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-18  5:35       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-18  5:41         ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19  0:39         ` tyler
     [not found]         ` <mailman.19510.1221784782.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19  4:16           ` David Kastrup
2008-09-19 12:42             ` tyler
2008-09-20  1:53               ` Allan Gottlieb
2008-09-29 19:20                 ` tyler
2008-10-01 10:26                   ` Tassilo Horn
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2008-09-19 21:09               ` David Kastrup
2008-09-19  4:49           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-18 23:50       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19  8:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]         ` <mailman.19536.1221814453.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-19 11:34           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 13:04             ` Cor Gest
2008-09-19 14:21               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 15:32                 ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-20  0:54                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22  8:25                     ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-22 11:40                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 12:16                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.19683.1222085805.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-22 13:53                           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 14:50                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.19689.1222095038.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-23 13:49                               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 15:47                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.19771.1222184864.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-23 16:27                                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 16:47                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.19774.1222188466.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-23 16:59                                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 17:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-22 18:25                         ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-23  8:16                           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 13:02                             ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-23 15:20                               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 18:55                                 ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-09-24  1:59                                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  8:31                                     ` Eric S Fraga
2008-09-24 10:12                                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-24 11:46                                       ` Alexey Pustyntsev
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2008-09-24 12:52                                         ` Andreas Politz
2008-09-24 13:30                                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  9:28                                     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
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2008-09-24 14:38                                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24 17:15                                         ` Nikolaj Schumacher
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2008-09-25  3:16                                           ` Xah
2008-09-23 20:34                                 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-23 21:16                                 ` harven
2008-09-24  1:35                                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 16:13               ` Nikolaj Schumacher
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2008-09-20  0:02                 ` Xah Lee
2008-09-20  1:12                   ` Chetan
2008-09-20  2:35                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2008-09-24  7:35                     ` Kevin Rodgers
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2008-09-24  9:26                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-26  4:52                         ` Kevin Rodgers
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2008-09-26 12:39                           ` Xah
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.19592.1221878128.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-20  2:58                     ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  7:54                       ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.19802.1222242899.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-24 10:02                         ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24 11:42                           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24 12:51                             ` rustom
2008-09-24 13:33                               ` Bug? buffer-offer-save Xah Lee
2008-09-24 14:31                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-09-24 14:33                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-09-26  5:40                           ` How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.19978.1222407641.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-26 13:28                             ` Xah
2008-09-26 21:45                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-09-27  2:20                               ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.20040.1222465122.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-27  0:15                                 ` Chetan
2008-09-27  7:57                                   ` Andreas Politz
2008-09-27 14:17                                     ` Xah
2008-09-27 12:42                                 ` Chetan
2008-09-27 16:19                                 ` Xah
2008-09-27 17:28                                   ` Sean Sieger
2008-09-27 18:12                                   ` B. T. Raven
2008-09-27 22:48                                     ` Chetan
2008-09-28  3:43                                     ` Xah
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2008-09-28  2:46                                     ` Xah
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2008-09-27 14:27                                 ` Xah
2008-09-28 16:18                               ` stan
2008-09-28 17:11                                 ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29  2:34                                   ` stan
2008-09-29  2:58                                     ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 15:39                                       ` Cor Gest
2008-09-29 16:03                                         ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 16:37                                           ` Cor Gest
2008-09-29 17:50                                             ` Richard Riley
2008-10-15 16:01                                             ` buffers and files and plus ca la change and all that OtherMichael
2008-10-01  1:37                                       ` How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? stan
2008-10-01 11:44                                         ` rustom
2008-10-01 19:58                                           ` Sean Sieger
2008-10-01 14:19                                         ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 14:06                                     ` rustom
2008-09-29 14:32                                       ` Richard Riley
2008-09-29 16:56                                         ` Chetan
2008-09-30  9:46                                           ` Paul R
2008-09-30 13:37                                             ` Alexey Pustyntsev [this message]
2008-10-01  7:27                                               ` Paul R
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2008-09-30 19:20                                               ` xraysmalevich
2008-09-20 10:51                   ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-19 13:08             ` xraysmalevich
2008-09-19 14:13               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 15:21                 ` xraysmalevich
2008-09-19 15:36                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 13:46             ` Eli Zaretskii
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2008-09-19 14:32               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-19 15:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-09-19 16:39                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-09-20  0:12                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-20  0:48                     ` Cor Gest
2008-09-20  3:06                       ` Xah Lee
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2008-09-19 18:11                   ` Lowell Gilbert
2008-09-19 20:36         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-09-20  0:50           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-20  8:17             ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-09-22 13:07               ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 16:29                 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-22 16:58                 ` Sean Sieger
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2008-09-22 17:56                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 19:15                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-09-23 14:47                       ` Xah Lee
2008-09-22 22:13                 ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-09-22 22:36                   ` David Kastrup
2008-09-24 11:43                     ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-09-27 16:35                       ` Xah
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2008-09-22 17:06                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-23 19:05                     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-09-24  2:08                   ` Xah Lee
2008-09-24  4:32                     ` Ross A. Laird
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2008-09-24 10:22                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-09-25  4:01                       ` Xah
2008-09-20  8:50         ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-09-22 13:08           ` Xah Lee
2008-09-17  7:36     ` Kevin Rodgers
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2008-09-17 23:16       ` Xah
2008-09-21 12:06     ` Christian Herenz
2008-09-21 19:01       ` Joost Kremers
2008-09-24 14:39 ` William Case
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2008-09-25  5:06   ` Tim X
2008-09-25  6:35     ` Xah
2008-09-25  8:13       ` Jonathan Groll
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2008-09-25  9:09         ` Andreas Politz
2008-09-25 10:01           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-09-25 11:17           ` Xah
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2008-09-25 12:07             ` Xah
2008-09-25 12:53               ` Lennart Borgman
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2008-09-25 13:21                 ` Xah
2008-09-25 13:48                   ` Lennart Borgman
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2008-09-25 13:57                     ` Xah
2008-09-25 15:39                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
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2008-09-26  1:07                         ` Xah
2008-09-25 11:00         ` Xah
2008-09-25 13:34           ` language (was: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up?) Ted Zlatanov
2008-09-25 13:49             ` Xah
2008-09-25 19:47               ` language Ted Zlatanov
2008-09-25 17:58           ` How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Sean Sieger
     [not found]           ` <mailman.19940.1222365501.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-09-26  1:04             ` Xah

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