From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:07:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <7056BAE9-002B-46B7-A60A-9EDE375392EE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469A@Web.DE> <873aze3qtf.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <579BA8CB-6174-4521-A1CC-4C18722E6BB5@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185289595 19820 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 15:06:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:06:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 17:06:32 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDLy0-0000Po-R2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:06:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLy0-0004eR-83 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:06:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLxj-0004eD-9k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:06:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLxi-0004e1-Ki for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLxi-0004dy-GF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLxi-0002pG-2U for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLzH-00076Z-9c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:07:47 -0400 In-reply-to: <579BA8CB-6174-4521-A1CC-4C18722E6BB5@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> (message from Jean-Christophe Helary on Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:00:28 +0900) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45966 Archived-At: > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:00:28 +0900 > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > why don't you propose something, after studying things a bit? > > then when people say "there are technical issues" you will know > > what they are talking about because you will have come to > > understand the (in)applicable techniques. > > No because the people who pretend that there are technical issues or > that "it is impossible" do not make sense in the first place. People are entitled to their views, even if those views are incorrect, exactly as you are entitled to yours. But don't take everything that's written in this thread as official opinion of Emacs maintainers. > It is not the technical issues that are (not) discussed here, but the > mere idea of localizing emacs. > > I think it is more a psychological issue than a technical issue right > now. The idea of localizing Emacs is accepted by the maintainers. It's the difficulties of implementing this that prevented it from happening until now. And there _are_ difficulties, Thien-Thi Nguyen is right in suggesting that you study the issues first (e.g., by reading past discussion on the Emacs development list) before dismissing those difficulties as ``psychological''. In any case, this forum is not the right place for serious discussion of such issues. If you really want to discuss the technical difficulties and how to overcome them, come to emacs-devel (but please read past discussions first, to avoid reiterating old arguments). > It would be better if people who are not interested in localization > stop replying to this thread and let others discuss possibilities. You cannot stop people from talking in a public forum. Just stop responding to messages that you think are not discussing the real aspects of the problem.