From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joe Corneli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:55:46 -0600 Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <878y4jiij7.fsf@verizon.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111302053 20548 80.91.229.2 (20 Mar 2005 07:00:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 20 08:00:53 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCuQc-0001Ab-Nw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:00:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCuhT-0005NE-5l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 02:18:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCufv-000507-KS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 02:16:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCufs-0004yd-MY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 02:16:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCufs-0004xY-3L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 02:16:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [146.6.139.124] (helo=dell3.ma.utexas.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCuLk-0002G7-3B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:55:48 -0500 Original-Received: from lab45.ma.utexas.edu (mail@lab45.ma.utexas.edu [128.83.133.159]) by dell3.ma.utexas.edu (8.11.0.Beta3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j2K6tkQ07478; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:55:46 -0600 Original-Received: from jcorneli by lab45.ma.utexas.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DCuLi-0000jb-00; Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:55:46 -0600 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-reply-to: <878y4jiij7.fsf@verizon.net> (message from Shawn Betts on Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:42:19 GMT) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:25014 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:25014 I'm just writing to say hi to Shawn. And to mention that I can't remember the last time I cared about default keybindings. I think the combined power of xmodmap and `global-set-key' makes default keymaps pretty irrelevant for anyone who can't deal with the normal way of doing things or who thinks they have a better way. I use some default keybindings and lots that I made myself. My experience would seem to say that "making emacs easier for new users" has nothing to do with default bindings, but it might depend some on the programs for changing bindings and their documentation. I think that my only complaint as a "new user" is that migrating from Rmail to Gnus doesn't appear to be as easy as perhaps it should be.