Re: X11 Mac OS X 10.3 emacs fink: only terminal?

[Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu>]

   This is gnu.emacs.help, which is a Usenet newsgroup.  It is about
   using Emacs and not about furthering RMS's issues about free software.
   While I think he is fundamentally correct and thought that _Free
   Software, Free Society_ is an excellent book, GNU does not own any
   piece of Usenet, and voluntary or otherwise censorship is not
   appropriate if RMS expects to be able to maintain his or anyone else's
   freedom.  Somebody wants to make it a condition of a mailing list,
   that's another issue.

Why not take it up with him.

   >    However, Carbon Emacs is just as free as X11 Emacs, and it would
   >    be stupid not to be able to talk about it on this group.  This
   >    does not constitute a recommendation for nonfree software in any
   >    way that I can see.  Sure, Carbon itself is nonfree, but we are
   >    not promoting it merely by talking about Carbon Emacs, are we?
   >
   > I'm not really sure.
   >
   > I don't think I would have had any particular objection to "If you
   > only have the goal of using Emacs outside of the terminal, and you
   > don't mind missing out on the programs and features that you could
   > use under X11, you could just install the Carbon version."  Pretty
   > different from the ringing endorsement of Carbon/Aqua that we heard.

   So it's not OK to talk about using Emacs under Aqua because that's not
   free software, but it's apparently OK to talk about using Emacs under
   Windows.  At least you haven't jumped all over those threads with your
   size twelves.  Wassup with that?

I didn't say that it isn't OK to talk about using Emacs under Aqua, I
said it isn't OK to recommend Aqua over the available free
alternative.  Did you read the statement of mine that you're quoting?

I don't really have anything to say about Windows.  If someone said
that it was better to use Emacs under Windows than it is to use it
under X11, I'd have the same objection.

   And, for that matter, what "features" and programs run under Emacs/X11
   that can't be run under Emacs/Aqua?  

xmodmap, modifiers, and window managers are the main things I was
thinking of.  Also, there are plenty of X-only graphical programs
seperate from Emacs.