From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: X11 Mac OS X 10.3 emacs fink: only terminal? Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:10:52 -0600 Message-ID: <E1CeFGG-00058K-00@linux183.ma.utexas.edu> References: <1102952440.733798.50520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <325srfF3gmkjmU2@individual.net> <mailman.5711.1102976191.27204.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> <326je9F3j7frtU1@individual.net> <mailman.5747.1102985852.27204.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> <barmar-825F04.20344213122004@comcast.dca.giganews.com> <mailman.5753.1102990978.27204.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> <327dl2F3gcngrU1@individual.net> <mailman.5858.1103024787.27204.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> <x5sm6959km.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1103040775 8462 80.91.229.6 (14 Dec 2004 16:12:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 14 17:12:50 2004 Return-path: <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFI9-00021Y-00 for <geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:12:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CeFSI-00082G-P5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:23:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CeFS2-00080a-32 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:23:02 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CeFS0-0007zm-IS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:23:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CeFS0-0007yf-56 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:23:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [146.6.139.124] (helo=dell3.ma.utexas.edu) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CeFGH-0002Rn-MD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:10:53 -0500 Original-Received: from linux183.ma.utexas.edu (mail@linux183.ma.utexas.edu [146.6.139.172]) by dell3.ma.utexas.edu (8.11.0.Beta3/8.10.2) with ESMTP id iBEGArl01871; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:10:53 -0600 Original-Received: from jcorneli by linux183.ma.utexas.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeFGG-00058K-00; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:10:52 -0600 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-reply-to: <x5sm6959km.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (message from David Kastrup on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:49:13 +0100) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/pipermail/help-gnu-emacs> List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22741 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22741 Joe Corneli <jcorneli@math.utexas.edu> writes: > If you don't dig it, I'm not going to get upset. You work however > you want to work, I'm not trying to stop you or insult you or > convert you or tell you what works for you when I haven't really got > a clue or anything of the sort. The point I was making is that on > GNU lists, it is forbidden to recommend nonfree software. Forbidden? I'd rather say "inappropriate". Stallman does say "please", so I guess I should have said "undesireable" and maybe even "disrespectful." "Inappropriate" works. And don't forget "punishable by Stallman's ire." 1993 Please don`t use GNU newsgroups to recommend proprietary software, regardless of what it is for. In particular, don`t send messages to this list/group praising proprietary speech programs. It`s bad enough that some people do use them; please avoid encouraging more to do so. [...] 2003 A few months ago, I found out that Knoppix included some non-free software, and the developer said he didn't want to change that. If he has changed his policies in the meantime, please tell me; that would be good news. But otherwise, please do not recommend the use of Knoppix on GNU mailing lists. Please recommend only entirely free software. (I am not on the help-gnu-emacs list; someone forwarded me a couple of messages on this thread.) However, Carbon Emacs is just as free as X11 Emacs, and it would be stupid not to be able to talk about it on this group. This does not constitute a recommendation for nonfree software in any way that I can see. Sure, Carbon itself is nonfree, but we are not promoting it merely by talking about Carbon Emacs, are we? I'm not really sure. I don't think I would have had any particular objection to "If you only have the goal of using Emacs outside of the terminal, and you don't mind missing out on the programs and features that you could use under X11, you could just install the Carbon version." Pretty different from the ringing endorsement of Carbon/Aqua that we heard.