From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: defcustom: changing from defvar - order of execution Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:36:25 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87wtq57t6m.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1115829493 27818 80.91.229.2 (11 May 2005 16:38:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 16:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 11 18:38:09 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVuCp-0006UJ-9k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 18:37:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVuLa-0000Ck-GV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVuKP-0008Kc-60 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:44:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DVuKK-0008Gw-BI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DVuKK-0008E2-4Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [148.87.122.31] (helo=rgminet02.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1DVuIh-0002fd-QT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from rgminet02.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j4BGaRSY021252 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:36:27 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com [138.1.186.49]) by rgminet02.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.6/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j4BGaQqg021149 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:36:26 -0600 Original-Received: from rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id j4BGaPWg003695 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:36:25 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap (dradams-lap.us.oracle.com [130.35.177.126]) by rgmsgw300.us.oracle.com (Switch-3.1.4/Switch-3.1.0) with SMTP id j4BGaOeF003684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:36:25 -0600 Original-To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <87wtq57t6m.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:26515 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:26515 > Not only was this common in standard libraries before this > century, but it is still common for personal "libraries" - > that is, .emacs and its extensions. .emacs and its extensions are not libraries. Extending the meaning of libraries to things like .emacs makes the word useless. OK. What's a better term? Use whatever term you like. I think I made clear what I was talking about. I referred to them as "personal 'libraries'" (note quotes) and "libraries that are essentially custom files or personal extensions". Whatever term you use, I think it's important to recognize: - These different kinds of files have different properties and should be associated with different guidelines. - It happens that personal startup files sometimes evolve into multi-user libraries, and these sometimes evolve into standard Emacs libraries. The guidelines for the different file types would help someone evolve a personal file toward a multi-user library.