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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR03-AM5-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130324 Archived-At: Eduardo Ochs writes: > On Sat, 29 May 2021 at 23:12, Christopher Dimech wrote: >> >> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 at 10:37 AM >> > From: "Jean Louis" >> > To: "Christopher Dimech" >> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> > Subject: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... >> > >> > (...) >> > >> > *scratch* buffer is famous for it. >> > >> > I just need more of them but *scratch*, so I do it this way: > > > Hi, just a curiosity... > > why do you prefer to use scratch buffers for elisp code instead of > using (semi-scratch?) files in which we record all our experiments? > > In the tutorials of eev I try to convince the new users to treat their > notes and scratch code as "field notes", and save everything they > can... one of my arguments is this: > > Learning eev is also like learning to use paper notebooks. It is > much easier to understand the notes and ideas what we wrote > ourselves in our notebooks than to understand what other people > wrote in their notebooks... when we go back to what _we_ wrote we > are able to reconnect with what we were thinking, even when our > notes are quite terse because we did not write down all details - > and we can't do that with other people's notes. I think you are probably correct about saving notes. Some vary famious scientists attribute almost everything to their notes. Maybe a self-saving scratch buffer isn't bad idea. It could maybe append a date and always open "fresh" but the true file would be save in the background, as a sort of a database. Sort of like we clear the terminal screen with Ctrl+l but the output is still there, just not visible. There probably is some note-taking package that already does that. Maybe some org-capture template that auto puts note in a lisp src block. Or maybe your eev already does that. Still didn't try it. It seems so conceptually big to me so I never get to it. Similar as that other package Hyperbole.