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From: Jean-Christophe Helary <brandelune@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: using setq to create lists based on other lists...
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:22:54 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D1EAF121-4457-4C76-9233-70F96A591838@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874lbw4059.fsf@gmx.net>

Stephen, thank you for the additional explanations.

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 20:51, Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> wrote:

>>> I don't suppose that's a bug, but really it ought the be very clearly 
>>> documented in the reference. Also, I'd like to know why that's happening.
> 
> To expand of this, since Jean-Christophe didn't find an explanation of
> this behavior of setq in the Lisp reference, but it is in fact
> documented:

Well, yes and no.

>    Special Form: setq [symbol form]...
>     This special form is the most common method of changing a
>     variable’s value.  Each SYMBOL is given a new value, which is the
>     result of evaluating the corresponding FORM.  The current binding
>     of the symbol is changed.
> 
> In the above case, the symbol `list1' is given the result of evaluating
> `list0', which is the list `'(1 2)'.  So now both `list0' and `list1'
> refer to this list,

That's not clear at all from the paragraph you quote. Because for all practical purposes, when I evaluate list0 I get (1 2) and not "a pointer to an object that is the list (1 2)".

In fact, I just found the explanation, it is in the Introduction to Emacs Lisp and it says:

> When a variable is set to a list with a function such as setq, it stores the address of the first box in the variable.

So, setq has a specific behavior when it applies to lists: it evaluates the form as a pointer to an object and not as a value.

Or am I misunderstanding something ?


Jean-Christophe Helary
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http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune





  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-02 12:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.5010.1543748027.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-02 11:21 ` using setq to create lists based on other lists Barry Margolin
2018-12-02 11:51   ` Stephen Berman
2018-12-02 12:22     ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2018-12-02 13:08       ` Stephen Berman
2018-12-02 13:28         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 14:40           ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-12-02 15:34             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 15:44               ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-12-02 15:57                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 15:00           ` Stephen Berman
2018-12-02 15:30             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]             ` <mailman.5026.1543764670.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-04  9:00               ` Barry Margolin
2018-12-02 12:03   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
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2018-12-04  9:04 ` Barry Margolin
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2018-12-04 13:56   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-05  1:07   ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-05  2:32     ` Drew Adams
2018-12-05  6:45       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05  8:00         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-12-05  8:11           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05 14:57         ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <mailman.5218.1544021892.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:59           ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]     ` <mailman.5186.1543978155.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:50       ` Barry Margolin
     [not found]   ` <mailman.5145.1543931778.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-05 16:47     ` Barry Margolin
2018-12-02 10:53 Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-02 15:41   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-02 16:23       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 17:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-02 17:21           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 19:11             ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-02 23:44               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
     [not found]   ` <mailman.5028.1543765273.1284.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-12-03 13:43     ` Rusi

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