From: Jean-Christophe Helary <brandelune@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: using setq to create lists based on other lists...
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 21:22:54 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D1EAF121-4457-4C76-9233-70F96A591838@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874lbw4059.fsf@gmx.net>
Stephen, thank you for the additional explanations.
> On Dec 2, 2018, at 20:51, Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> I don't suppose that's a bug, but really it ought the be very clearly
>>> documented in the reference. Also, I'd like to know why that's happening.
>
> To expand of this, since Jean-Christophe didn't find an explanation of
> this behavior of setq in the Lisp reference, but it is in fact
> documented:
Well, yes and no.
> Special Form: setq [symbol form]...
> This special form is the most common method of changing a
> variable’s value. Each SYMBOL is given a new value, which is the
> result of evaluating the corresponding FORM. The current binding
> of the symbol is changed.
>
> In the above case, the symbol `list1' is given the result of evaluating
> `list0', which is the list `'(1 2)'. So now both `list0' and `list1'
> refer to this list,
That's not clear at all from the paragraph you quote. Because for all practical purposes, when I evaluate list0 I get (1 2) and not "a pointer to an object that is the list (1 2)".
In fact, I just found the explanation, it is in the Introduction to Emacs Lisp and it says:
> When a variable is set to a list with a function such as setq, it stores the address of the first box in the variable.
So, setq has a specific behavior when it applies to lists: it evaluates the form as a pointer to an object and not as a value.
Or am I misunderstanding something ?
Jean-Christophe Helary
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2018-12-02 11:21 ` using setq to create lists based on other lists Barry Margolin
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2018-12-02 12:22 ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2018-12-02 13:08 ` Stephen Berman
2018-12-02 13:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 14:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-12-02 15:34 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 15:44 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-12-02 15:57 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 15:00 ` Stephen Berman
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2018-12-04 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-05 1:07 ` Robert Thorpe
2018-12-05 2:32 ` Drew Adams
2018-12-05 6:45 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-05 8:00 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2018-12-05 16:47 ` Barry Margolin
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2018-12-02 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-02 15:41 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 16:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-02 16:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 17:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-12-02 17:21 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-12-02 19:11 ` Robert Thorpe
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