Help for configure rmail

Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Hi

I am having trouble configuring the rmail in Emacs. I can not find 
anything to help me.

Does anyone have the settings and can help me?

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:

> Hi
>
> I am having trouble configuring the rmail in Emacs. I can not find 
> anything to help me.
>
> Does anyone have the settings and can help me?

It's in the Emacs manual, it's not very difficult:
* Install movemail from GNU Mailutils or use the Emacs one.
* Put something like this in your init file

(setq rmail-primary-inbox-list
      (cons (concat "imap://" ;; Or pop.
                              ;; Emacs movemail only does pop.
		    "Email Login"
		    ":Email Password"
		    "@address-of-isp.com") nil))

If you omit the password then it asks you when you use it the first
time.

Check out the variable "rmail-automatic-folder-directives" for sorting
your mail.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Em 2015-02-17 00:51, Robert Thorpe escreveu:
> (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list
>       (cons (concat "imap://" ;; Or pop.
>                               ;; Emacs movemail only does pop.
> 		    "Email Login"
> 		    ":Email Password"
> 		    "@address-of-isp.com") nil))

Hi Robert.


Configured and ok. The problem is that states that do not have e-mail in 
the inbox "no email", and have email. Ex.: The your.

The configs SMTP is ok.

Help.

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Em 2015-02-17 20:02, Albino Biasutti Neto escreveu:
> Em 2015-02-17 00:51, Robert Thorpe escreveu:
>> (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list
>>       (cons (concat "imap://" ;; Or pop.
>>                               ;; Emacs movemail only does pop.
>> 		    "Email Login"
>> 		    ":Email Password"
>> 		    "@address-of-isp.com") nil))
> 
> Hi Robert.
> 
> 
> Configured and ok. The problem is that states that do not have e-mail
> in the inbox "no email", and have email. Ex.: The your.


Show text:

"movemail: mailbox 'pop://user@server' : Cannot open: Tempo esgotado 
para conexão"

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:

> Em 2015-02-17 20:02, Albino Biasutti Neto escreveu:
>> Em 2015-02-17 00:51, Robert Thorpe escreveu:
>>> (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list
>>>       (cons (concat "imap://" ;; Or pop.
>>>                               ;; Emacs movemail only does pop.
>>> 		    "Email Login"
>>> 		    ":Email Password"
>>> 		    "@address-of-isp.com") nil))
>> 
>> Hi Robert.
>> 
>> 
>> Configured and ok. The problem is that states that do not have e-mail
>> in the inbox "no email", and have email. Ex.: The your.
>
>
> Show text:
>
> "movemail: mailbox 'pop://user@server' : Cannot open: Tempo esgotado 
> para conexão"

Can you tell me what that phrase, "Tempo esgotado...", means in English?

If you have a username that contains the "@" symbol then that will cause
problems.  I have a work-around for that.

Try using movemail directly to see if it's working properly.  In a shell
do:
movemail -p 'popp://user@server.domain' test.mbox password

See if "test.mbox" is generated.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Yuri Khan]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Robert Thorpe
<rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com> wrote:
> Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:
>
>> "movemail: mailbox 'pop://user@server' : Cannot open: Tempo esgotado
>> para conexão"
>
> Can you tell me what that phrase, "Tempo esgotado...", means in English?

Wild guess: Connection timed out. This means the server is down, or
its name is mistyped, or there are other settings that are missing,
such as the port number.

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Em 2015-02-18 00:37, Yuri Khan escreveu:
>>> "movemail: mailbox 'pop://user@server' : Cannot open: Tempo esgotado
>>> para conexão"
>> 
>> Can you tell me what that phrase, "Tempo esgotado...", means in 
>> English?
> 
> Wild guess: Connection timed out.

Sorry is "Timed out".

> This means the server is down,

Maybe.

> or its name is mistyped,

No.

> or there are other settings that are missing,
> such as the port number.

Be port configuration, for POP, how do I ?


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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Em 2015-02-18 00:15, Robert Thorpe escreveu:
> Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:
>> "movemail: mailbox 'pop://user@server' : Cannot open: Tempo esgotado
>> para conexão"
> 
> Try using movemail directly to see if it's working properly.  In a 
> shell
> do:
> movemail -p 'popp://user@server.domain' test.mbox password
> 
> See if "test.mbox" is generated.

movemail: mailbox `pop://<user>@<server>': cannot open: Time Out

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:34:10 -0200
> From: Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> movemail: mailbox `pop://<user>@<server>': cannot open: Time Out

Does that server at all support the POP3 protocol?

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:34:10 -0200
>> From: Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net>
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> 
>> movemail: mailbox `pop://<user>@<server>': cannot open: Time Out
>
> Does that server at all support the POP3 protocol?

As Eli said: are you sure that server supports POP3?

Email servers have to deal with a lot of traffic.  Often ISPs
use different servers for SMTP and IMAP/POP.  My mail/webspace provider
does that.  If your moving over from another Email program then you
should be able to find the right address in it's settings.

POP can be tricky since by default the emails downloaded from the server
are deleted from the serve afterwards.  You may want to set
"rmail-preserve-inbox" to t while your debugging your setup.

If your email provider only supports IMAP you can use that if you
install the "movemail" from GNU Mailutils.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

On 02/19/2015 03:40 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
> As Eli said: are you sure that server supports POP3?
> 
> Email servers have to deal with a lot of traffic.  Often ISPs
> use different servers for SMTP and IMAP/POP.  My mail/webspace provider
> does that.  If your moving over from another Email program then you
> should be able to find the right address in it's settings.

Yes, provider supports POP, this <riseup.net>.	

> POP can be tricky since by default the emails downloaded from the server
> are deleted from the serve afterwards.  You may want to set
> "rmail-preserve-inbox" to t while your debugging your setup.
> 
> If your email provider only supports IMAP you can use that if you
> install the "movemail" from GNU Mailutils.

I am use Icedove with alternative, but, want use only Emacs.

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:

> On 02/19/2015 03:40 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
>> As Eli said: are you sure that server supports POP3?
>> 
>> Email servers have to deal with a lot of traffic.  Often ISPs
>> use different servers for SMTP and IMAP/POP.  My mail/webspace provider
>> does that.  If your moving over from another Email program then you
>> should be able to find the right address in it's settings.
>
> Yes, provider supports POP, this <riseup.net>.	
>
...
> I am use Icedove with alternative, but, want use only Emacs.

Earlier you tried using the "movemail" command on it's own.  It timed
out.  So, the problem comes before Emacs is involved, in fetching mail
using movemail.

If you've copied your config from Icedove correctly then it should just
work.

I assume Icedove is fairly similar to Thunderbird.  In that case go to
Edit-> Account Settings.  Pick "server settings" and look at the field
"server name".  The name you specify to RMAIL or Movemail must be the
same.  The full username must be the same too, if it has the "@" symbol
in it then you need to use a hack, as I mentioned earlier.  Check the
"Authentication Method" and "Connection Security" in Icedove.  If you're
using TLS security then you need to specify "--tls" to the movemail
command.  If you're using Kerberos you need to specify -k, if you're
using GSSAPI you need to specify -g.  You can do this by setting the
variable rmail-movemail-flags.  These options are only supported by
Mailutils movemail, AFAIK.

In almost all cases POP3 uses port 110 and if it's encrypted port 995.
To specify a particular port I think you put it at the end of the server
name, e.g. myserver.com:200.  I've never had to do that though so I'm
not sure.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
> I assume Icedove is fairly similar to Thunderbird.  In that case go to

Yeah! [1]

> Edit-> Account Settings.  Pick "server settings" and look at the field
> "server name".  The name you specify to RMAIL or Movemail must be the
> same.  The full username must be the same too, if it has the "@" symbol
> in it then you need to use a hack, as I mentioned earlier.  Check the
> "Authentication Method" and "Connection Security" in Icedove.  If you're
> using TLS security then you need to specify "--tls" to the movemail
> command. 

Security: SSL/TSL
Method: Normal password

> If you're using Kerberos you need to specify -k, if you're
> using GSSAPI you need to specify -g.  You can do this by setting the
> variable rmail-movemail-flags.  These options are only supported by
> Mailutils movemail, AFAIK.

> In almost all cases POP3 uses port 110 and if it's encrypted port 995.

Encypted 995.

1 - https://help.riseup.net/en/email/clients/thunderbird

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

On 02/20/2015 04:59 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
>>to the movemail

Now other errors:

movemail : errror 110 mailbox pop://...

The configs:

(setq rmail-primary-inbox-list (list "pop://<user>@<pop.server>"))
;(setq rmail-movemail-flags (list "--tsl"))

(setq rmail-movemail-search-path (list "/usr/bin/movemail.mailutils"))
(setq rmail-movemail-program nil)
(setq rmail-pop-password-required t
            rmail-preserve-inbox t)

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 15:01:48 -0200
> From: Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> On 02/20/2015 04:59 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> > On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
> >>to the movemail
> 
> Now other errors:
> 
> movemail : errror 110 mailbox pop://...

error 110 is ETIMEDOUT, a.k.a. "Connection timed out".  IOW, it's the
same error: the server does not accept your connection.

Once again: are you sure this server supports POP3 protocol?

What happens if you try connecting to the server using telnet, like
this:

  telnet SERVER-ADDRESS-HERE 110

?  Does the server respond?

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:

> On 02/20/2015 04:59 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
>> On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
>>>to the movemail
>
> Now other errors:
>
> movemail : errror 110 mailbox pop://...
>
> The configs:
>
> (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list (list "pop://<user>@<pop.server>"))
> ;(setq rmail-movemail-flags (list "--tsl"))
>
> (setq rmail-movemail-search-path (list "/usr/bin/movemail.mailutils"))
> (setq rmail-movemail-program nil)
> (setq rmail-pop-password-required t
>             rmail-preserve-inbox t)

Didn't you say in your previous message that your server uses port 995?
Movemail seems to be trying to use port 110 here.

Try the following movemail command and see if it creates a test.mbox
file with mail in it:

movemail -p --tsl 'pop://<user>@<pop.server>:995' test.mbox password

That said, it would be unusual if your mail provider doesn't support
port 110.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

On 02/23/2015 12:49 AM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
> Didn't you say in your previous message that your server uses port 995?
> Movemail seems to be trying to use port 110 here.

Yes. I am using on Icedove.

> Try the following movemail command and see if it creates a test.mbox
> file with mail in it:
> 
> movemail -p --tsl 'pop://<user>@<pop.server>:995' test.mbox password

the command:

movemail: unrecognized option '--tsl'
Try 'movemail --help' or 'movemail --usage' for more information.

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Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> writes:

> On 02/23/2015 12:49 AM, Robert Thorpe wrote:
>> Didn't you say in your previous message that your server uses port 995?
>> Movemail seems to be trying to use port 110 here.
>
> Yes. I am using on Icedove.
>
>> Try the following movemail command and see if it creates a test.mbox
>> file with mail in it:
>> 
>> movemail -p --tsl 'pop://<user>@<pop.server>:995' test.mbox password
>
> the command:
>
> movemail: unrecognized option '--tsl'
> Try 'movemail --help' or 'movemail --usage' for more information.

I forgot to mention, you need to use movemail from GNU Mailutils to get encryption support.

(Personally, I don't know why Emacs ships with it's own version of
movemail with cut-down options.  I think Emacs should ship with GNU
Mailutils movemail.  That would avoid problems like this.)

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Yuri Khan]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> wrote:
> movemail: unrecognized option '--tsl'
> Try 'movemail --help' or 'movemail --usage' for more information.

So did you try reading the help? It looks like you systematically
misspell TLS as TSL.

However, even fixing that might not help you. TLS means Transport
Layer Security and is designed to protect you from others seeing your
sensitive data on the wire.

There are two widely used methods to enable encryption:

* One is the STARTTLS extension to the POP3 (and SMTP, and IMAP)
protocol, where you first connect to the usual 110 (25, 143) port and
then, before transmitting your user name and password, request that
encryption be enabled.

* The other is usually called just SSL. You connect to a different
port, 995 (465, 993), and encryption is enabled right from the start.

I am not familiar with movemail, but it looks like the --tls switch
would enable the STARTTLS extension, not the SSL tunnel method.

The movemail manual on the Web[1] says that you use the pops:// scheme
to access a POP3 server over SSL.

[1]: http://mailutils.org/manual/html_node/URL.html#URL

Re: Help for configure rmail

[Robert Thorpe]

Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto <bino@riseup.net> wrote:
>> movemail: unrecognized option '--tsl'
>> Try 'movemail --help' or 'movemail --usage' for more information.
>
> So did you try reading the help? It looks like you systematically
> misspell TLS as TSL.

I systematically misspelled that.  Sorry about that.

As Yuri says, it looks like that's not needed, "pops" should do.

I think you still need mailutils movemail, but I could be wrong.

BR,
Robert Thorpe