From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Feeling lost without tabs Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:48:52 +0700 Message-ID: References: <834myc64eh.fsf@gnu.org> <831ttg5zot.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405874955 587 80.91.229.3 (20 Jul 2014 16:49:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 20 18:49:07 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X8uIM-0003ZX-MK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:49:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58389 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8uIM-0001HR-7u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:49:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52001) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8uIB-0001HK-CY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8uIA-00074o-Id for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:48:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qg0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235]:39293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8uI9-00074J-AJ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id q107so4723379qgd.12 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:48:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8kSMjy27mXwcn7OOuxay/fyI4MGyxF9Hn2qrQvkGsTI=; b=qNfS8fZJTA1uSRdfIY7L8+yBs04UmxYSf3NTLFIUxcaKq63QIyHAp0cR2MBL3jC99Y SZcCCYw75N93PMiWjkSoqhtkJitxahbZ7TVTC+iXLhDM2b773NK2sJFVNWOT+zoqvLUV 4zuxjhEUSsSrVFvYAE+qbGAEGtw59CZXuPn9m7SZgsSi8C2z8lmlQghfFrrQE0Ptr/n+ RocDqXL/oU/kG8nyF0PIBLt0Xr/QoeptQvVTkxeKbqkk25sKgsyznuaxxEmLII142mD0 4byKzf3YOuuXmoQT5jaE+40EqVV2hPx85PaEqQGGpFjnzxba/dA23z/xEdHcU9KSu5eZ Lq0g== X-Received: by 10.224.167.193 with SMTP id r1mr11289458qay.62.1405874932714; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.96.182.162 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:48:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <831ttg5zot.fsf@gnu.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cYHXK9CP1-SYOrS32celczHJKnI X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c04::235 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98825 Archived-At: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> To switch buffers efficiently, I need a visual representation of their >> relative order > > AFAIK, each frame orders the buffers separately, so I don't see why > you would have a problem here. The problem here is that I need to see the list before I start pressing key= s. The workflow with tabbar is: eyes see tabs, fingers repeatedly press M-S-, eyes confirm that the desired tab is highlighted, fingers stop pressing keys. With buffer-list, it is similar except the list is more verbose. The workflow with C-x b is: fingers press C-x b, eyes see the default next buffer, brain tests if that=E2=80=99s the right one. It=E2=80=99s not,= A: so fingers press , eyes read the next buffer name, brain tests if that=E2=80=99s the right one, if not, repeat from A:. Finally, fingers pres= s RET. The cognitive load (roughly, the number of eyes-brain-fingers roundtrips) is much worse in the second case as the operations cannot be done concurrently.