From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: crash-proof emacs use Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 13:32:47 +0700 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5912"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Samuel Wales Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 12 08:34:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oXd1O-0001Mu-Nm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2022 08:34:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oXd1N-00009h-Er for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2022 02:34:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35802) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oXd0B-00009Q-P8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2022 02:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]:36512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oXd0A-0007XM-7H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Sep 2022 02:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id i203-20020a1c3bd4000000b003b3df9a5ecbso5546185wma.1 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2022 23:33:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=JhePF/cfE16jfVvQrcYLTs9NIwxdLWVe7uf4ynzoH5I=; b=NKgZwLG1j1l9hU6E/ebHBIH7+npyAqui8A+AiGwzIsVrjsCA348B7EOK7E01E9pra9 DYWBOEEofKxJIkeMsH08H5zR9UQuh40q1iArJvgwgdDMxKFM5X5TUXFUDiv4uByJhars idiHsqeiI1IRjGw9AvCsKqHurm24GTlZJJ0XLFbZ/bPRWCX1PwjrAycbK3XIAAB6f4Wa 5Vv/nZFYWC6W3iD7r1FMdjUi4M/9cPN0yHujwsj2YyqtrZIfvKFPIS9z2tTa8KfSVdgV H3uKOUdKMmjqtipfC/7Mc7RFMEruCWq/iVV8zpgLmQSoRX3+KX8QNpj5IUwLM3YdnJom EgTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=JhePF/cfE16jfVvQrcYLTs9NIwxdLWVe7uf4ynzoH5I=; b=pl7mo6yYnpqSD57frgFNi4kypOf9Ln0IhOj+mw+4W4OYhfXvuCInECeHga5HQNuhbl EeFUK26DIxitMgSGUtfvey4vXciWwoKwEJaXpfmCuCGScvGfYATEuUeDC1JawK/7n4S4 XDk/h1hgUcxF7N2TfPQG1tbQFytHJekEYCFFIv1O2ilZF1CDt5TBhMaBZlRVzBYiax13 4HQDS34epVWu+GLhlyyISkUqeA3oStMTdzetGPech/6OvmYmzpHCCwW+FC6M/TuB/oMI Ii+DzBkzljRYV0CWlvqf0aE5ME4pZlV7X88TEazhx5r1BcZFfrNTOWU3Vu06v+j1BZsq YHug== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo2MG673EbDAXB70uaap88q+yeBfamNZAUTiI54L6Jjcj7y8gmQX W8sW4TRYHksVpafHvQdbhQYkERMxDSLhdyPLU3o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7oKqyqR+j2mTtI11OvPyJJR6iuiIqkSr9E2scgNjJR0UiGxUZJCKmM1/rqhZRJiXhPAb5zEhCOvhbOO/HCM8I= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1d8f:b0:3b4:90c1:e23a with SMTP id p15-20020a05600c1d8f00b003b490c1e23amr557164wms.122.1662964379585; Sun, 11 Sep 2022 23:32:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::32a; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x32a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139399 Archived-At: On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 09:13, Samuel Wales wrote: > this is open-ended, but would mean something like, you kill some text > with a "about to move" command so that killing is not conflated with > moving, and it gets marked as "move operation started". then you go > to the location to yank to, and you [if your stm is operating ok] yank > in the new place with a message that this is supposed to be > crash-proof. as part of that yanking, the old text gets deleted. > this is just a silly example. Microsoft Excel and Google Sheets do this. (LibreOffice Calc, for some reason, doesn=E2=80=99t =E2=80=94 deletes on cut immediately.) Various file= managers, too.