From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ESC vs Meta for shifted keys Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:35:31 +0700 Message-ID: References: <87d0z71985.fsf@gmail.com> <20180410164730086770438@bob.proulx.com> <20180411131107072594795@bob.proulx.com> <87r2nkq06a.fsf@gmail.com> <874lkgsc9m.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0z4e6xg.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523550874 16319 195.159.176.226 (12 Apr 2018 16:34:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs , Stefan Monnier To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 12 18:34:30 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fB8-0004AQ-8r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:34:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53073 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fDE-0000i7-SL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:36:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54239) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fCU-0000gP-DM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:35:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fCT-0004q5-La for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:35:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ot0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::236]:39702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fCT-0004pc-Fm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ot0-x236.google.com with SMTP id a14-v6so6716601otf.6 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:35:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sNQQ7aCxw6QZSTE+lxpI7dhemZhEIdKZE4u+mt20mOg=; b=vIWzk6wWa1bAbnAuZCtvkXGA3piJ98xWr6x9wQLxM5nZON1yHLr+l0xnk8rslMWjr8 z4XtJg2XyKgtme7oY41UMw8T5v89ji+zjvlF127447XF38YjGMTAO5bvbKuoySaK6F9i CwiHU719zYjtJc+LVN8LK1ivb+vBxOKdGBg1peayx3Fv1wpG8vm2Xh4iodKIwc+Y9nuD BGR8XLfiAzMEWf93qL1cGXbgARna8ezk/+LlfTRABFDwPVWQxrQ8q41+szFKQd4YhcNd ncg0zr8iB4xtynVyrIbbRgC6z3A4iufNEAMzWTwGU8VCiFr/3xSLQjlehoRhVwhv6NTt O4PQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sNQQ7aCxw6QZSTE+lxpI7dhemZhEIdKZE4u+mt20mOg=; b=hyQGZaSqNGk7hgRGUy7YeE/z8zu82KDjGa8Yu11OCgRhYLpuKk6Y0rFdFbYrq0J+zv IJUrifkC7y2fRKoRQWIlRKkQArrcNPamEcTDehN3Wr7+JNPglxHztNOnGfsjn1p1kM1k 3Rgi3lTyKRLeT2ssxRk4Noqm9ErW/eW2Ar89ZrNz0ee0CXwLdTgda6WJ4zdFvwQMJ0+x TIgyvyeMzy0TDqIQjrN6KO62sE0ySdgGsb7z1J9Nk95BpUI9nmATRLGfE8yC+ObJ2eD0 WSJ+dwwMZkOSUbDUxYcFCy/WMoI1oUoGU2OxBvBSuTZglyQemB2+FvgprP6lSYExMgoC 7UcA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAycR8fFRlsysGIivLwSztMMgVOdH+8kIEVdHa47u5m6N/8UwHp H3QQzpQUmJU8d6G2J+bItEfwst7EGzarD7Zluek= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48KjBzpDT8Y+uMzd2Hyr/qujepPrEoijUvxMYTvtZka7h425+JurTlNejYIO1G9McxzNmv5mfs85b+ghh3CZWE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:1150:: with SMTP id p16-v6mr1117711otp.209.1523550952534; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.74.186.8 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d0z4e6xg.fsf@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: rSvJepeGmOV8xR4Zly-yIUXwS3M X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::236 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116498 Archived-At: On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Robert Pluim wrote: > It=CA=BCs pretty clear to me: the current situation allows users of R2L > text to choose visual or logical moving without impacting L2R users at > all, so I see no need to change anything. On the other hand, the same choice is available with M-b and M-f for logical order, M-left and M-right for visual order. And it makes intuitive sense for direction keys to move point in their corresponding directions.