From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri Khan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Noob dumb question (extending emacs) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 01:50:44 +0700 Message-ID: References: <86k0i6uoxd.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> <871r4ernmt.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o87hnrpt.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18284"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Yuri Khan , Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 22 20:51:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdzdz-0004W6-Im for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:51:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdzdy-0007GZ-0j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:51:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdzd4-0007GD-AK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:50:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ua1-x92f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::92f]:44544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdzd2-0006eQ-SK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:50:58 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ua1-x92f.google.com with SMTP id e5so2410424uam.11 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 11:50:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TQwbuuNnZPNe+ZCw3kOJNxebl7Ssh+tr7MkRZn//Tzs=; b=ayPmTMq83VbKGs5JLFKkb+sQo8QIaX9k+7oENnfZWkIrcefvv3fwg0dVOXcuEIp/zY N+fEzRLq3XGlTjT/Bk6asW3TFi/f+zVd8IAiKtXxKn+nq0nhXjAe0YPQDpjdR/Lhjfrm Scf+al3PleSjCRC2pEBI8Th4A30kwtEjNk2p4TpsR+BBSJWO9xDLn55lESotyGnQkAlZ /aILMyVkTC9eaPC75sLJgUxPMnmb1Vm/Mq4Fgc9nvnPBuNiOua2Fde/lQ6cqm+XDs0zb 5QQ7BtCq7ABvfslz3QDxLg8QviGHQebhzFreFAAwddABdIt6ANT5UNnvb43hOAAlNfEe OFGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TQwbuuNnZPNe+ZCw3kOJNxebl7Ssh+tr7MkRZn//Tzs=; b=29wQMRKoILUsAUsEhtX3ehDANQVBdN9VYLDn9luwMzUDUat5P/LTRLd6n8bTAIrAwZ zloUVSY1/68Klcc9/wG5FPcg8uOVBf+JJCY53plJoX8Qa8T3XHmdmOkMZP5t28t2i8Ie Bdu9Fw7OO1SmZeOSC9kJq4sCDpWod4e5HO1VEDaJBrBYYpqC9xVmweOa6GeJNEomZDfc 0ga9zxBND+cfpuYFXDDoKc3rpr0VWFUDUCR3SxtJW1JN5BBXVuvE8rb3iVg9VA40Zl8Y gxuQTVP3Q2JlyuomBx8GtNxybK5VNhYJLK/py0TBiDPmUQXxG+Ute5Ch18+4PtEEc9HJ fKdw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ruvEGd1qxcjXA/lEaRfK5fayPYSzSD4plKY3Pni10tMY1KIlr t4YSbwsxUpjM2CfAT20UX07RmZxi0luVikzLEQk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQ7u2ChUHx9CH+Iro+6RDnRv2RWUVHvkw71XPJyIVFN9fJEgnkYSA5yv7VaDf4BQeto+wgORe1RcP7i9dBRKA= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:6587:: with SMTP id v7mr2001487uam.102.1634928655781; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 11:50:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::92f; envelope-from=yurivkhan@gmail.com; helo=mail-ua1-x92f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:134021 Archived-At: On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 00:55, Jean Louis wrote: > For people interested, manual explains about randomity: > (info "(elisp) Random Numbers") > > How I understand it, than it may be that neither `pwgen' is generating > truly random numbers. Inspecting the source shows pwgen uses /dev/urandom if available, and /dev/random otherwise, and all bytes of the password come from one of those sources. These are On the other hand, the manual for Emacs =E2=80=98random=E2=80=99 says: A deterministic computer program cannot generate true random numbers. For most purposes, =E2=80=9Cpseudo-random numbers=E2=80=9D suffice. Spoiler: secure password generation is not one of those purposes.