From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Boyer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: A Debian suggestion Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 06:43:37 -0600 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10964"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Camm Maguire , Stas Boukarev , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 07 13:44:41 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tJuAq-0002l4-83 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2024 13:44:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJuAA-0007ok-1v; Sat, 07 Dec 2024 07:43:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJuA5-0007oJ-Pa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-x636.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::636]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tJuA4-0003vD-3H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-x636.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-aa62e742078so38110766b.3 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2024 04:43:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1733575430; x=1734180230; darn=gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=19yI6KT7RSfRvPNC3BWuPuOsZJyuNU4CxOPTQ6u/gow=; b=OLtPJmpYMkaG1iLSct/JkDpyUF3C/C79LqQLr3s9T+bsknNWuSd4S90VLrKcVnhfAB HmCiiIXRTvNbdUEP6fJg+PslnNUKz0GVfnw/BSU8ra3RSod9qgzjNjsvtU3dUmW8yhDY JynghruDxRYh/BbBAUlZje96mOqyUdyumA3Y/dQ7FD9xIaULheGGwCKyWtkBPPOCGmFk MKtJmfY9PaQAN2mBvYOLSzYPbA4Dk8j6C1/oq4lTcvoDVAq4gyqCrMiK7O07YVgxTa5a nrihVw5DMgGuUUdV4oDqOdzejZdNy920a/VGtsQv5OONZPFUlwMgAgU6WodNkSXquTpc E7mg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1733575430; x=1734180230; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=19yI6KT7RSfRvPNC3BWuPuOsZJyuNU4CxOPTQ6u/gow=; b=vzRD59XjbkaMCY0vFf98AMmJNHTzhQKA0YDrHc+VaxXVAl0xTxTTB/yLfSbToq5CG5 YzNb9kRLJC34ZobhhQeWw9Iv1ltNQ8XdG/CaFPU6rm9214J2t3WdQQBKLpz3/Os4/ACT XhXKsyW7WW4duO7bFU/W+uJD5qzI0VGjEl6ZN5w9I0k8RA0MN4VMMvW1NyKt0A4haX2A 4eoIrz+po4xTxBQ4miTPkvRVXw/nIuph+ZF3SEXYqDvF9KE2mpRtFTjU2puN2B78ulzz qo0jly4AFF0CWhTihY0nhnVhN0U2gTEdt9v8KMfhoJAkdhmBV2XlIm8xJPPkVdmKemk/ 9vYQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUKVWtU39b3HGZyJUyp471SBzAMhVTLANXP6iBW0hYQJTpGz+lkM36WsgGFE1qEtrAVHrpdSPc3TxVloSgG6w==@gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzl64YLRGnAfZnzJF6fpVciPn/Jrvy+dt4+0+3+JFkFI/7o6GYG oUfRk4B4MbiNufmdenoMbXHqXSJG29MZ5iU9z5khudsOJcMLAlHsys+4/NSejU+2eub/gQkYszb zV03Z9v2p2poVJIceat2ecs1lm5Y= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctKZz0HNeifbPz/8if5rz4CFPXxWQ/Qe5/BHcmGgyqGfS0JD01eRKiGapl2gy6 z7l6eh5Rr6hGiOYW3YeKS2/7M3LKZQ2pPt4TxJgpBNFWDPjMUDpSi/etR5MHFsBFibA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF4Fa4MhyppQGDlUNOeoWnnQQC2BwXeHBswOliZRyaSPHGYA1PqJbU8E6XQr/1fSCEJqPICPLmxeYPPUijxZbE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:cf47:b0:a9e:e0a4:e983 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-aa63a2e6317mr206971266b.13.1733575430187; Sat, 07 Dec 2024 04:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::636; envelope-from=robertstephenboyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x636.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148653 Archived-At: Dearest Wonderful Debian Developers, For all the great systems that Debian supports, here is a suggestion, probably idiotic. It might sometimes possibly be to the benefit of a user and developer for the user to 'move on', possibly only temporarily, beyond the 'stable' version of something. It might be good if I could, for example, sudo apt-get install xacl2, sudo atp-get install xgcl, sudo apt-get install xsbcl, or sudo apt-get install xemacs which command, without affecting my stable current whatever, would give me access to the latest and greatest and perhaps riskiest version of acl2, gcl, sbcl, or emacs. From xwhatever I could then perhaps send developers more useful bug reports. There seems to be as much as a two year delay in the movement of bug fixes to 'stable'. I realize that I am way, way over my head. I am extremely grateful to Debian and its developers. I do not understand how they do what they do. They have made one of the worst nightmares of my life, software installation, go away. Thank you, thank you, thank you. With Highest Regards, Bob