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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22d X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114053 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: >> You could therefore use `customize-set-variable', but my >> preference is generally to view the variable's definition, >> see whether a custom setter is defined, and >> decide if I need to do anything about it. > > That's fine. Extra work, in general, but it shouldn't hurt, > at least not in the short term. > > Not sure why you would prefer that, but it sounds like it is so > that if you find you can get away with `setq' in some case then > you prefer to use that. Is that it? To be honest, I suppose I just find the whole customize mechanism a bit ugly. If I need to e.g. call a function to recompute some things after setting a variable, I'd rather do that directly. Of course it doesn't generally make sense to give much weight to such a vague aesthetic concern, but in this case it's cost me very little so far to humor myself. > And what if the library changes the `:set' function and you > upgrade? I'm not being facetious - I really don't see the > advantage/motivation. Something in my configuration would break and eventually I'd realize it and fix it :) It's obviously a valid concern, but in practice it's never been an issue in the 6-7 years I've been using Emacs so far. That's not very long relative to Emacs, so I admit my practice is likely to allow some sort of problem at some point. John