From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Mastro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Find bindings for all modes Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:05:14 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87a94fince.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1414623986 17228 80.91.229.3 (29 Oct 2014 23:06:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 23:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Robert Thorpe To: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 30 00:06:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XjcJm-0005vN-P3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 00:06:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49457 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjcJm-0005gv-AY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:06:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjcJE-0005Ly-Ab for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjcJ6-0000bb-2E for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:05:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]:34564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XjcJ5-0000bQ-RR for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:05:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-oi0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e131so3123520oig.2 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:05:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=bMawFVULdyBwr8QAj1QvwUwl9Fxno+FvpSqBRnZzZp8=; b=D3wUFsJ4a/j99lDmcm8Fobjerd3s25TduUdqkZ0iGgeHUJZyQItc1K3+MGrZsXN4fg BiYqolAM0tQfoSFyp35ZjM0w65a8jN7fGMyLo0Ber+R6vrWZOOdpPVUGMJZmwZnYov5h Ekntr2aGDs5BZ6G+64Ocz4tY0CCX7X2ktzZiT79G4IqMaBAWoSifJRq15Z+aCWE6Nqjm Meqf/Xnn8HOc58rHAOQWGUOlreA9fhJG5Ydn/fGYGt8CzbLdCGgmLTLOjBTMdS+61Z0k dKHvq0cl04kB+4XNsKZ6pA05G/UvM86oIS/jb4FU72GFecJ1Hg09rrF2OIHUSE3zd8am 05DA== X-Received: by 10.202.3.70 with SMTP id 67mr4082395oid.69.1414623934855; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.76.125.194 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a94fince.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:100653 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe wrote: > I'm not sure I understand John Mastro & Tim Johnson are trying to > achieve here. However, there are a few keys that are much less trouble > to use: Fair warning - this will probably be of interest to approximately noone, but I'll share my thinking anyway :) My goal is to have a general-purpose prefix key on the right hand side of the keyboard, to complement C-c. > * C-' C-# C-. C-, C-; C-=. > Undefined by default. Besides the problem with terminals, there's a sense in which unbound keys are less attractive for my purpose than using C-h. Keys that are unbound by default are an understandably attractive option for mode authors. On the other hand, no mode that I know of rebinds C-h, so I only deal with the issue once. Also, these are all either pinky keys, off the home row, or both. > * C--, C-1, C-2,..., M--, M-1, M-2, .... > These are duplicates. If you like you can use one set of them and > redefine the other. Notice that C-4 & M-4 are almost useless since > in most circumstances they do the same thing as C-u. I like having numeric args on both control and meta. I can see the case for {C,M}-4 (although there are counter-examples) but I find the idea of treating 4 differently a bit ugly. Also, they're off the home row. > * M-o. > This isn't very useful unless you use enriched-mode. Indeed, I use M-o for `ace-window' (an `other-window' replacement). > * M-s. > The existing M-s prefix key doesn't have very much in it. Eventually the > Emacs maintainers will put more in no-doubt, but until then you can put > a few things in it. This is on the left hand side of the keyboard, whereas I want something on the right. As you point out, we already have C-c on the left. > * C-c X. > This is left as the default user-defined prefix key. I use this a lot and am happy with it for many things, though not all. I want a prefix key on the right to complement C-c, not to replace it. > Some of these don't work in terminals, I don't know which ones because I > don't use terminals. I do use terminals regularly, but I still haven't managed to memorize all the differences and at least once a week I manage to surprise myself when something doesn't work. -- john