From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Skip Montanaro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-z, C-c, job control commands [was: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users] Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 06:22:45 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <83tuqnkzff.fsf@gnu.org> <8ed9b435026a7f251086@heytings.org> <20210209093142.GD21978@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8690"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help GNU Emacs To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 13:22:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9S2W-00029g-Vz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 13:22:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42568 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9S2W-0001Z5-1r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49948) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9S1v-0001Yp-9o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:22:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]:44672) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9S1r-0008Fa-9g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 07:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id r2so17937492ybk.11 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:22:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NuR3Dls58b8K/uQm5rjslGFXIuGmDpJm2AhAH7levo4=; b=IHMt8D6/MBxXgUA5almHflfgvsXHx0ZeYH57NkGdBDNFsWC4w2Ohl+6wnCgOOZ85GM QX9AY6vOKLkEr+peFGdeppLbRArAg84LB2Xt+BypZlI/GFX4nfzZKN3jSBrQN4jYx8Wj Tns4Uy9Yrkr3JiW2P4mhLEbaUHn+JOqsb/9qMHx3xpUm1MoDfu1RnGKLefYw9jTwhQNi ZnBVHRwLDb94+aA5jMrH2EUx+uFRI+kpLXT3zoag6FHtnlwmLN/fjWoe4naqL36XXEpW eoIEE9ju3D67I6vdJ/tVs4dP8CtjxbFW1EPNvSP5BSq3bqXNVjuwFORoqUDLLFJwITzx AakA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NuR3Dls58b8K/uQm5rjslGFXIuGmDpJm2AhAH7levo4=; b=ZP9USigojlbbP+WtPFtGihTbWqEv0afccROkkC95Sbu8dRlbMmJlr0Lks8uLvP+nzk aEODcm5k/O6NgtBxM7vjs4clORfm1mnmp2Ql8NU93nYfPEeIrnKyJSNk1IZMYRQsQDmd u+XHqmzZdJL7U/tkWsD+e5fua4smR/5jQMa3jxOeZ+L53IjQx8KFxKVKZGz1EulvCCQN BqgQHhFWRabl+YV5LHTYLnNAkNS/QmiaDV7V+w5LmF5cvmCS+Qq85tjYS+11HQn5vdXK 7TdMRq78VXRiRhdrlqvaVM19MW/zBa72r7T/Vx8Yi1N8MDNeaIH8gP4JKUvkF2ZOoUVG 1/6A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530RcFs2Enh8A4tFzjnjJx582Byyrkhij1j39P73UwzxvrMl5/qb AfIauXXw43IhYOseIxZgdCSrPn7iQRNM1kfFXj/sS98k2ev7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxAFjMy+Bu4DxSqcGmJIadRrq7Toz4SfOuXfFVGmc6FAYGlIVYQWyjZjDcTwWgwdC6mpbKpmkTswKCmtQlejtM= X-Received: by 2002:a25:a288:: with SMTP id c8mr31611648ybi.516.1612873321974; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 04:22:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20210209093142.GD21978@tuxteam.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30; envelope-from=skip.montanaro@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb30.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127691 Archived-At: > > > As you see on that page, C-c also has a standard meaning, which > > Emacs doesn't follow. Besides, the proposal binds "C-z C-z" to > > "frame-suspend". > > I have the hunch (but alas, no evidence) that C-c wasn't as wide > a consensus for "interrupt" back then as it is now. Possibly, > C-g was another contender (which would explain C-g's position > in Emacs today). > Just a guess, but was C-g a Multics thing? When I first started using GNU Emacs it didn't always behave nicely. When you wanted to get a crash dump, I think two C-g key presses in quick succession were the trick. Fortunately, Emacs is fairly stable now. :-) Skip