From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Skip Montanaro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: building emacs Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 08:22:54 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4FB0DC2E-14DD-49A0-9F66-8C4FA707FABE@gmail.com> <83y3tdclmr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1496237226 23386 195.159.176.226 (31 May 2017 13:27:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:27:06 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 31 15:27:02 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dG3eQ-0005wP-KM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 May 2017 15:27:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59424 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dG3eV-0005OE-RB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 May 2017 09:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40556) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dG3aV-00032X-DM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2017 09:23:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dG3aU-00088Y-Ik for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2017 09:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]:34968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dG3aU-00087x-Ee for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 May 2017 09:22:58 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id f102so15673889ioi.2 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:22:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=P5apZQJrsI+1zWSMoB67aoNsDqxoCCSXTIjeUqWbACE=; b=m3Y6JEUa2xX/NrxonQJl0JpDbaUhUxQqavBaCgO9z1FG+0LY8FUTSPsa+RCR0ymFpz 3/eGNfCHruFewPvajX1NdHFjn+foqf4Ca2TTSyOWJDI58lw32xr9YXN4qODIFPckrmg1 5sLhjGj4pIRX3hQpiwjxNxHP+cEM+xqu47V+mWAe0LXhsOtYeH3rPyjlBt6+qP3CYlPw Pxqd40WgapfRTOrHr0psVR/ORKuRXTL7FLs6snd/9FfebVMZVhKrMbJewktd56ridOkl vMbzzd9ZqBhc/QsK1ujo4SXi9TlbLUSTuHfmzWO8SmpTiIGuZhgI0rw7Uk8MnfHx/j8I xgIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=P5apZQJrsI+1zWSMoB67aoNsDqxoCCSXTIjeUqWbACE=; b=k/9Ya7vx5P6bFu0M/IG210YgHyrw85QIDoYubhtB0u0Y9JmOJekRQp2DrT8SYJkW4u cwgWWsWapZvG2sjPBAbwlCVv1Jz+vptj3RIvdCpkufe34Xto6/y+VYdv/5jiSbUsUUeC me6IyoboXEoJAawvH/OxQ+mYMALuyJXpsOyxt0httpBres6LLRLFsDEr0QePPWhFctkE WYiFwXnzlfQy0Yw7KxmTaw9P3Xe5SFMPPZWQSa4xHqPIjqby/ncQehIjYe5L+ly0IVOo +SlacD/B2JRga/VOrB9X4QRxs/aipGcHL3iZjeX8ubG66B5zueJCBtoWWL4zMC7nk2cG +GTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcCD5Krp14IcdSBKW/cFwawp1m9hOO8egskkcEVdVq8S4ZjwCkLK QxBEDBHEk2brBgixg/XfkdFVh46OnOoS X-Received: by 10.107.36.9 with SMTP id k9mr24664945iok.130.1496236976196; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.107.149.129 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.107.149.129 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:22:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113290 Archived-At: It seems every generation of programmers has a bunch of people who tries to make a new and better make, but it is still there while their projects are long gone. What strikes me as odd is that one of the reasons people reinvent make is that it's "too hard" for their programmers to use as-is, while at the same time expecting those same programmers to master the intricacies of languages like C++. :-) Skip Montanaro