From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: suvayu ali Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:40:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E8A8B64.9090705@arlsoft.com> <4E8B1340.3020708@arlsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317739305 1425 80.91.229.12 (4 Oct 2011 14:41:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org To: MBR Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 04 16:41:41 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RB6Bf-0005qh-NR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 16:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB6Bf-0004Bd-Bk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:41:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47447) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB6BZ-0004An-Cy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB6BU-0001hO-NB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:41176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RB6BK-0001cW-8m; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:41:18 -0400 Original-Received: by bkbzs2 with SMTP id zs2so869155bkb.0 for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UrxM+8ot9kICKwx0+tki7PwR7xU57h7EjcxPUSC3aLk=; b=gDElt3hY6vq13s/HmNeOG6tM31TeTJN/jy9USn1DNIcrqGwzmtg4+LOP0wJUF3vwxE BrYSPcrgWfMC9IXYf4+gBcYKaYfJukywkmNFYMR2RicQvoUJvoBGmo9ophvZ4C0uP/Y2 +zHKe8aVIBEBWy8YRtezPuA0HrUYX+MNjI9yY= Original-Received: by 10.204.138.193 with SMTP id b1mr796314bku.114.1317739277117; Tue, 04 Oct 2011 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.205.113.142 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Oct 2011 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E8B1340.3020708@arlsoft.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: mbfpWIe7B-4AMbY7nB4jf4Ut4q8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.214.41 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82450 Archived-At: Hi Mark, Sorry in my response I forgot to distinguish between the Delete key and the backspace key. You are correct in saying both will have this behaviour. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:08 PM, MBR wrote: > I hardly ever use the Delete function key.=A0 But I use Backspace to dele= te 1 > character backward all the time.=A0 I'd guess several times a minute.=A0 = This > change would mess up my typing bigtime!=A0 I'd guess that it would be a y= ear > or two before I stopped accidentally typing Backspace and expecting it to > delete 1 character backward. > That said, I believe what you say above is incomplete. This is what I observe in the Emacs 24 head at the moment: if there is some text as follows, some !_text! where the text surrounded by exclamation marks indicate the active region and the underscore indicates the cursor position then pressing DEL or (backspace or Delete) will result in the following, some _ If on the other hand there is no active region as below, some tex_t pressing DEL will result in, some te_t and pressing will result in, some tex I like that this feature gives me convenient keybindings irrespective of whether I choose to delete (delete-region) the text (or active region) or kill (kill-region) the text, the difference being greater control over what goes into the kill ring. I hope I have explained myself clearly this time around. > Mark > :) --=20 Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.