From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: reddit Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 15:25:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fv7hoxnd.fsf@debian.uxu> <87y4l6ubf0.fsf@debian.uxu> <87oam2u7og.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430594747 20572 80.91.229.3 (2 May 2015 19:25:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 19:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 21:25:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yod2o-00021U-Ah for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 May 2015 21:25:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57701 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yod2n-0001AP-Dj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 May 2015 15:25:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60767) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yod2c-0001A8-H8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2015 15:25:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yod2a-0001ea-U4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2015 15:25:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-oi0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f]:34081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yod2a-0001df-MK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2015 15:25:32 -0400 Original-Received: by oiko83 with SMTP id o83so89426681oik.1 for ; Sat, 02 May 2015 12:25:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=F6bg/92o//4vAmHAD3F+ZlBQVux1Qb5zFoMBxA3yM7o=; b=G05oQY2ls3BhpHKb0b4XVOP1ZxT1H405Npbu6KfpPsGXGSzR3CHcQFU1bkO0REN0Yj XWYYXZDccpQ3Vb2ge3yjrTt1YHlHf2TmaahBVt66VJ447R6IoQmgsTqRx9TFnQ9+q9vs l8sDOD+j8fVD3pwcyXMO7pBizq2d1V7jkq9BQDYLt83nK3KEmtKh5M5BMa8DSglV5T+l WvF+JMZZFY4fDxuX21xil7pMfF77145ICaDQdre/v7YCPnmySYZofv46pGGWVZyqX14m CZbtv9Xd0eofSf5vN3ugN3gGnnlUGafgvemkY4Og0hCnz0HeS2mnns2cxLZ20Uwu2f5z lgIw== X-Received: by 10.202.216.87 with SMTP id p84mr11812428oig.133.1430594729848; Sat, 02 May 2015 12:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.202.173.147 with HTTP; Sat, 2 May 2015 12:25:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87oam2u7og.fsf@debian.uxu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22f X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104164 Archived-At: Well in the context of technology, modern generally means tools that keep up-to-date with the latest improvements and changes in technology and culture. What you're presenting is just a hard-headed excuse. There's a reason GCC is losing out to Clang, and Emacs has lost to IDEs. Ya'll have maybe, what, 20 years or so before you guys die or retire? Who's going to take carry Emacs over for the next few generations? These excuses of "hey, look, I can implement that feature in 10k lines of Elisp!! Emacs is just as usable and feature-full!!!!!!!!" just don't fly in the today's world where there are 10's of IDEs that have an easier user experience. Not to mention, some things just flat out don't work (C++ code completion in Emacs). Reddit and stackexchange are far more user friendly than antiquated mailing lists full of old senile grandpas complaining about "top posting" and all kinds of other pedantic rubbish. Reddit will also increase exposure to Emacs as a whole, so people who write software, but are unaware of great plugins (i.e., the things Tudho writes), will occasionally stumble upon Emacs threads. I get that the grandpas like to cling to the "way it used to be", but in the end, modern liberalism always wins out over dogmatic old-school conservatism. On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Jai Dayal writes: > > >> And that will work to their disadvantage - > >> big time. > > > > Not really. It's actually to the tool's detriment > > when the maintainers do not seek out modern outlets. > > > > Nobody loses productivity by not using emacs and > > instead using one of the modern IDEs that > > exist today. > > The word "modern" doesn't carry any payload. (In the > future, by the way, things will be even more modern.) > What matter is what comes with the most *power*. > > -- > underground experts united > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 >