From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65a06c6af228e04ae27093c X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317382616 30876 80.91.229.12 (30 Sep 2011 11:36:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, info-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 30 13:36:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R9bOd-0000qP-3o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:36:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43251 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9bOa-0000x4-41 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:39593) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9bOT-0000qJ-Vw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9bOS-0002P5-Bo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:56218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R9bOQ-0002OC-58; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 07:36:38 -0400 Original-Received: by wyf22 with SMTP id 22so1150103wyf.0 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 04:36:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Q08fziLCXVUO7I5qOqiB0kD8NKxkN3RfVTrdqeXJy9M=; b=Y0VqHIxj6H8GYLu9XFEpPF1rvVo5Q/ZeNFR30YDNPE+oIHV9tF1kLS2PPo3uE7ODPK RtpYRR7whX6sY0AjApKNAeXPSd63G3jSUFh5HmHTYrhzlkWU/Fe4iM5cvrq3mmHcLCtr S/2E8+3pU3yPygdd4S8aD50Mr2BkDlSWhrWKc= Original-Received: by 10.216.220.162 with SMTP id o34mr5248474wep.70.1317382596272; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 04:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.216.175.84 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 04:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 74.125.82.169 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82387 Archived-At: --0016e65a06c6af228e04ae27093c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I approve of all changes. On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > In Emacs 24, now in pretest, a change is being considered for ASCII > DEL (on most keyboards, the Backspace key) and the Delete function > key. The change affects the case of an active region that was not > dragged with the mouse. The change is that these commands would > delete the region, rather than just one character as now. > > In the past, this behavior was enabled in some minor modes: CUA mode, > Delete Selection mode, and PC Selection mode. In the 24.0.90 pretest, > this behavior is enabled by default. Thus, building and using the > pretest is an easy way to try the change. > > Here are the questions we hope you will answer: > > * Are you in favor of this change? > > * Are you opposed to this change? > > * How strongly do you feel about the matter? > > We don't want to just "count votes" -- we want to understand > how this affects users. So if you care about the issue, > please tell us how the change affects your editing. > > * What are the cases where you find it helps? > > * What are the cases where you find it hurts? > > * What is your level of Emacs experience? > > A further change in the same area has been suggested: when there is an > active region, a self-inserting character would delete the region > before the character is inserted by default. > > * What would you think of this further change? > > Please send your responses to emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org. > > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ > > --0016e65a06c6af228e04ae27093c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I approve of all changes.=A0

On Thu, Sep= 29, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
In Emacs 24, now in pretest, a change is being considered for ASCII
DEL (on most keyboards, the Backspace key) and the Delete function
key. =A0The change affects the case of an active region that was not
dragged with the mouse. =A0The change is that these commands would
delete the region, rather than just one character as now.

In the past, this behavior was enabled in some minor modes: CUA mode,
Delete Selection mode, and PC Selection mode. =A0In the 24.0.90 pretest, this behavior is enabled by default. =A0Thus, building and using the
pretest is an easy way to try the change.

Here are the questions we hope you will answer:

* Are you in favor of this change?

* Are you opposed to this change?

* How strongly do you feel about the matter?

We don't want to just "count votes" -- we want to understand<= br> how this affects users. =A0So if you care about the issue,
please tell us how the change affects your editing.

* What are the cases where you find it helps?

* What are the cases where you find it hurts?

* What is your level of Emacs experience?

A further change in the same area has been suggested: when there is an
active region, a self-inserting character would delete the region
before the character is inserted by default.

* What would you think of this further change?

Please send your responses to = emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org.


--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org =A0www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
=A0Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/


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