From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jai Dayal Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A guide on setting up C/C++ development environment for Emacs Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <513ad0e2-f7f4-484c-b17b-7c94a8c2fc7a@googlegroups.com> <8738chaieo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87tx4x9353.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ppfl91ft.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87lhq98zoy.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ha0x8xbh.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409181511 20465 80.91.229.3 (27 Aug 2014 23:18:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 28 01:18:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XMmTt-0005sb-4O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 01:18:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMmTs-0004Q2-7L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:18:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39663) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMmTf-0004PO-3O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:18:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMmTb-0006nb-TP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:18:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]:36534) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XMmTb-0006nT-NJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:18:03 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id im17so50567vcb.27 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:18:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=1PvofqncBDGq6GIt+KbqqQHFFwkiVaz5SKS9qFbRDp0=; b=1DxtCblvEu8TFD/fCQNCSwYZL1s4KbChudELC6kB7Css8KcNjq6bwGozhQTszj/bsR hyfz1Vm/8nYNQyTEXmpzxCqz6mordNxwLvKh6Ms+P821h3/iGTyAjq8egKc1kjBWD6d2 X8mYsJO0unjeqyeB1Y1e2kaPLvSonlYiEacfsnD+5czFzq7EGJoLxGcHELMDzIj+PO9P PTOuJycgH23VvBwOZfdVnjsW1s5D8jayAfr4X/pyCgV+80RMUW4YpgMU3ebRAIu+j+kL XX75UzM2MifI4Ap1D8Vj62imimaS9liq6qb8uY6GOSFITs7p7GqSxqrRvPP0vPzfarl1 guIg== X-Received: by 10.220.68.208 with SMTP id w16mr35035vci.79.1409181483040; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.221.24.82 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:17:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ha0x8xbh.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99444 Archived-At: Actually, nope. When I decide to install an OS, say CentOS, I do not expect to find a discussion on the pluses and minuses of CentOS on the installation page. That's a completely different topic that has nothing to do with CentOS installation. Same with the actual Emacs page; on the installation section, there's no discussion on the pluses and minuses of Emacs there in an attempt to avoid having "disappointed people". When someone chooses to install something, there's an understanding that they want to install it because they know about it, or are wanting to try it out. Nobody with an IQ higher than 12 installs something for the first time, without reading about it, and assumes it will magically work they way they want it, down to the very last feature. Can you find 10 installation manuals, or installation sections of a manual, in English that discuss the actual pluses and minuses of the tool being installed? On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 4:57 PM, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > Jai Dayal writes: > > > No, my interpretation is correct. > > > > If someone writes a manual on how to fix a Ford V8 engine, the discussi= on > > on the engine's fuel efficiency and safety is completely irrelevant. > > Following your logic, one could then turn the discussion into the utili= ty > > of driving in general, since it may otherwise lead to more disappointed > > people. > > > > His manual is about how to setup CEDET and use it. It's not about how t= o > > evaluate CEDET in terms of productivity. > > The guide is about setting a C/C++ development environment. > > That means explaining how to setup tools for increasing your > productivity. If one of the mentioned tools does not fit the bill for > one of the use cases (C++) it is relevant to mention the fact. > > >>And no, it is not necessary to mention the bad ergonomics of Emacs' > > keybindings whenever someone asks about how to configure Gnus for > > reading e-mail. > > > > Why not? You just said that failing to mention the shortcomings can lea= d > to > > more disappointed people around. > > Exactly. If a C++ coder reads the guide and then expects from CEDET to > provide precise smart code completion like other popular IDEs do, most > likely he is set for a disappointment. > > > Following this "logic" failure to mention > > Emacs' shortcomings during any discussion on Emacs features will lead t= o > > more disappointed people around. > > You are a human being, not an 8-bit bot that is unable to interpret a > message beyond simple logic rules. That's what I assume from the readers > of help-gnu-emacs. > > >