* How to truly unbind global bindings?
@ 2014-11-25 11:09 Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 12:16 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 11:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
I've just tried
(set 'global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
but issuing [C-h][b] still shows tons of mappings, especially in the
*Global Bindings* section:
Global Bindings:
> key binding
> --- -------
> C-@ set-mark-command
> C-a move-beginning-of-line
> C-b backward-char
> C-d delete-char
> C-e move-end-of-line
> C-f forward-char
> C-g keyboard-quit
> C-h help-command
> TAB indent-for-tab-command
> C-k kill-line
> C-l recenter-top-bottom
> RET newline
> C-n next-line
> C-o open-line
> ... ...
and there are so many more to come.
I would like to get rid of these completely. How can I possibly do that in
one simple function call? I would like the solution to be a total wipeout,
rather than a loop which is setting all of these mappings to `nil'. Thank
you in advance.
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 11:09 How to truly unbind global bindings? Alexander Shukaev
@ 2014-11-25 12:16 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 15:43 ` Drew Adams
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
The answer was:
(use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
Sorry for the noise.
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* RE: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 12:16 ` Alexander Shukaev
@ 2014-11-25 15:43 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 16:09 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Drew Adams @ 2014-11-25 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexander Shukaev, help-gnu-emacs
> The answer was:
> (use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
Why do you want to do this? (Doesn't sound advisable, to me.)
Perhaps if you describe your use case/scenario, people will
have something useful to suggest. I cannot imagine why anyone
would try to replace the `global-map' with a new, sparse keymap.
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 15:43 ` Drew Adams
@ 2014-11-25 16:09 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 16:13 ` Drew Adams
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 16:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>
> Why do you want to do this? (Doesn't sound advisable, to me.)
>
> Perhaps if you describe your use case/scenario, people will
> have something useful to suggest. I cannot imagine why anyone
> would try to replace the `global-map' with a new, sparse keymap.
>
Easy. I almost don't use Emacs default key bindings. I have highly
customized layer on top of Evil, where I have either rewritten or extended
certain text object, operators, and commands. Evil default keymaps were
also wiped out and the keys were totally rearranged by myself too. In other
words, I used evil as a framework to develop my own modal text editing
approach. Those essential commands which I might need from plain Emacs I
would just carefully map to those keys which I want once again, and it's
not that many of them. The rest (like 99%) default mappings are irritating
noise to me. Minimalism and pragmatism FTW.
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* RE: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 16:09 ` Alexander Shukaev
@ 2014-11-25 16:13 ` Drew Adams
2014-11-25 19:04 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Drew Adams @ 2014-11-25 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexander Shukaev; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>> Why do you want to do this? (Doesn't sound advisable, to me.)
>> Perhaps if you describe your use case/scenario, people will
>> have something useful to suggest. I cannot imagine why anyone
>> would try to replace the `global-map' with a new, sparse keymap.
>
> Easy. I almost don't use Emacs default key bindings. I have
> highly customized layer on top of Evil, where I have either
> rewritten or extended certain text object, operators, and
> commands. Evil default keymaps were also wiped out and the
> keys were totally rearranged by myself too. In other words,
> I used evil as a framework to develop my own modal text
> editing approach. Those essential commands which I might
> need from plain Emacs I would just carefully map to those
> keys which I want once again, and it's not that many of them.
> The rest (like 99%) default mappings are irritating noise to me.
> Minimalism and pragmatism FTW.
I see. Thanks for the background. Hopefully, someone will be
able to help.
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 16:13 ` Drew Adams
@ 2014-11-25 19:04 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Since I have wiped out the `global-map' now, I don't have the following:
Global Bindings:
key binding
--- -------
SPC .. ~ self-insert-command
> \200 .. self-insert-command
> \200 .. \377 self-insert-command
I would have to recreate that manually in my Emacs configuration. I found
the relevant C code in "cmds.c":
for (n = 040; n < 0177; n++)
initial_define_key (global_map, n, "self-insert-command");
#ifdef MSDOS
for (n = 0200; n < 0240; n++)
initial_define_key (global_map, n, "self-insert-command");
#endif
for (n = 0240; n < 0400; n++)
initial_define_key (global_map, n, "self-insert-command");
I understand that the first loop is simply pushing the printable 7-bits of
ASCII table into the `global-map'. Could anyone elaborate what are the rest
loops for? Do I really need them?
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 19:04 ` Alexander Shukaev
@ 2014-11-25 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-25 19:39 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2014-11-25 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:04:23 +0100
> From: Alexander Shukaev <haroogan@gmail.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>
> for (n = 040; n < 0177; n++)
> initial_define_key (global_map, n, "self-insert-command");
> #ifdef MSDOS
> for (n = 0200; n < 0240; n++)
> initial_define_key (global_map, n, "self-insert-command");
> #endif
> for (n = 0240; n < 0400; n++)
> initial_define_key (global_map, n, "self-insert-command");
>
>
> I understand that the first loop is simply pushing the printable 7-bits of
> ASCII table into the `global-map'. Could anyone elaborate what are the rest
> loops for?
Non-ASCII single-byte characters.
> Do I really need them?
I don't understand what you are trying to do enough to answer that.
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2014-11-25 19:39 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 19:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 19:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>
> I don't understand what you are trying to do enough to answer that.
>
After:
(use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
I lost:
Global Bindings:
key binding
> --- -------
>
SPC .. ~ self-insert-command
> \200 .. self-insert-command
> \200 .. \377 self-insert-command
which is needed for typing.
I will have to add them back from my configuration. What are symbols
starting from 0200 mean? And do I really need them in the usual workflow?
Or restoring ASCII would be enough? Why some of them are protected with
MSDOS preprocessor check?
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 19:39 ` Alexander Shukaev
@ 2014-11-25 19:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-25 20:00 ` Alexander Shukaev
0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2014-11-25 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:39:37 +0100
> From: Alexander Shukaev <haroogan@gmail.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>
> After:
>
> (use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
>
> I lost:
>
> Global Bindings:
>
> key binding
> --- -------
>
>
> SPC .. ~ self-insert-command
> \200 .. self-insert-command
> \200 .. \377 self-insert-command
>
> which is needed for typing.
>
> I will have to add them back from my configuration. What are symbols starting
> from 0200 mean?
Like I said: single-byte non-ASCII characters.
> And do I really need them in the usual workflow?
Not sure what "the usual workflow" means.
> Or restoring ASCII would be enough?
Probably enough.
> Why some of them are protected with MSDOS preprocessor check?
Because other systems use Latin-1, which start at 0240 octal, while
MS-DOS uses DOS codepages that have valid characters between 0200 and
0240.
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 19:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2014-11-25 20:00 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-26 2:57 ` Yuri Khan
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 20:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>
> Because other systems use Latin-1, which start at 0240 octal, while
> MS-DOS uses DOS codepages that have valid characters between 0200 and
> 0240.
>
>
Thank you. How can I replicate MS-DOS condition in Emacs Lisp code?
Something like
(unless (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
...)
? Which symbol denotes MS-DOS? `ms-dos'?
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 20:00 ` Alexander Shukaev
@ 2014-11-25 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-25 21:05 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-26 2:57 ` Yuri Khan
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2014-11-25 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:00:19 +0100
> From: Alexander Shukaev <haroogan@gmail.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>
> How can I replicate MS-DOS condition in Emacs Lisp code? Something
> like
>
> (unless (eq system-type 'windows-nt)
> ...)
>
> ? Which symbol denotes MS-DOS? `ms-dos'?
Yes, 'ms-dos'.
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2014-11-25 21:05 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-25 21:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Maybe it will be helpful to somebody in the future:
(use-global-map (make-sparse-keymap))
(global-set-key [t] #'self-insert-command)
(let ((c ?\s))
(while (< c ?\d)
(global-set-key (vector c) #'self-insert-command)
(setq c (1+ c)))
(when (eq system-type 'ms-dos)
(setq c 128)
(while (< c 160)
(global-set-key (vector c) #'self-insert-command)
(setq c (1+ c))))
(setq c 160)
(while (< c 256)
(global-set-key (vector c) #'self-insert-command)
(setq c (1+ c))))
Tested. This is how you totally wipe out default global bindings, but
preserve the very basic --- typing of printable characters from 8-bit ASCII
code page.
Best regards,
Alexander
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-25 20:00 ` Alexander Shukaev
2014-11-25 20:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2014-11-26 2:57 ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-26 9:33 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Yuri Khan @ 2014-11-26 2:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alexander Shukaev; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Alexander Shukaev <haroogan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you. How can I replicate MS-DOS condition in Emacs Lisp code?
Are you really planning to use your configuration on DOS?
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* Re: How to truly unbind global bindings?
2014-11-26 2:57 ` Yuri Khan
@ 2014-11-26 9:33 ` Alexander Shukaev
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From: Alexander Shukaev @ 2014-11-26 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Yuri Khan; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
>
> Are you really planning to use your configuration on DOS?
>
Of course not ;))
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