From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastian Beischer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Thu, 23 May 2019 16:44:36 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83lg2bivne.fsf@gnu.org> <20190219095700191526550@bob.proulx.com> <83d0nnit0o.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220115853855643126@bob.proulx.com> <83imxegskr.fsf@gnu.org> <20190220152455054511191@bob.proulx.com> <835ztdgr10.fsf@gnu.org> <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="115472"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Help-Gnu-Emacs , moasenwood@zoho.eu To: Nate Bass Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 23 16:49:36 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hTp2G-000Tvw-Hf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 16:49:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38079 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hTp2F-0000Sp-DG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:49:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hToxe-0004tH-Cv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hToxd-0007G4-6g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt1-x82a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a]:46612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hToxd-0007F7-2t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 May 2019 10:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-x82a.google.com with SMTP id z19so4152749qtz.13 for ; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LoSbp4eP5i15URd8F35q9LRPDUUOD5tjDhJJSqN/zVY=; b=rHoadn/jp1eiCJ2hL7nO43rhRKgNM8k6oV7zUlLTpVKtnE0GXK8KSmF0LRiCz/L0q2 ht4obKSJ/JvounbJTfeDtzbKrtze7Ua8Vc0z1uhhou/uGJAaLa0VjlE6IoOJUezZ+lH5 3x02HbLrw/RHDn+0CTwiHAbjC1v8R/tTfzCJFKYulDp7gsTv4e0t7jwhHNlDta7lUzFc tDhV/w+9oKRieccpcMj9Y6ayqx1NUkdLxSi3mT31CbTHu445xJdViIULvVQcAd5n5hAg e1phs8aN5UiEtbGtCNWAVeclpuYGcd2egy0xNMBE/CopJAszkWsKfO1hVj9H25pZIgDN YOiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LoSbp4eP5i15URd8F35q9LRPDUUOD5tjDhJJSqN/zVY=; b=s6u6Ax3wrRjH0yvlgpxrBQEsbA51SLSzkcw5D5DV/zKNo38LV0hzGY2QPuZa7bPb7P SAu/80TiO93i6wcIV5Uoctdo2u/3PUF+6Lnt3zNMbXHRYpJxhBSFl+5ZRGixpiBp9L3L 0y4qdPKkoqbluSv3imSBvQUxuoDVnPGDv0I7ui7ADgMJXLxcYGd862E7wDIXI5aoAB1g umsVgMoSYHHyeLr1jYEY9nMcu6mOkl9Ls22rBp1bKUngNFNV/bscy+1gSATcaejrXujd LD0uLdh+UuAW6eLU5Xd7Zb4O51U8QqFXIybhiKvazZB9J4QVxjiX1F6VsvNVrp7z4G9t 0Tvw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVlsIic+FBoSfuL22VZM6kcojJIpqDAyw9geMLCR7U5zmGzFtVg 3cGlHyN45XvrGDC7M1zpbZ+h/t/ln0xLP1aWcmw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyy9MXqfo0tbjzT0XRx4B+NPhDYyzdp8dwv+kjNaqRmWAj2h4WNt/Agw7U0SebXeyaZ6gLS+6+N9N7BU3nEcug= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3bcf:: with SMTP id s15mr59880320qte.105.1558622687788; Thu, 23 May 2019 07:44:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82a X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120580 Archived-At: On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 11:29 AM Nate Bass wrote: > > I compared my Gmail to the archives and I found that I wasn't > receiving mail from one particular address moasenwood@zoho.eu and I > think this caused me to bounce off the help-gnu-emacs mailing list. > > I started to miss messages on February 6 at 8:51 PST, while receiving > all others on the mailing list. I missed at least one message each day > from this address (25 missed total) until February 10 at 12:35 PST > when I received a > message stating: > > Your membership in the mailing list help-gnu-emacs has been disabled > > due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated > > 10-Feb-2019. > Hi Nate, I just wanted to say that I am suffering from the very same problem since weeks. I'm using gmail and I've had to re-enable my membership for help-gnu-emacs quite a few times already. Also I'm not receiving any mail from Emanuel any more, although I used to a while back. It's a shame really, his messages often made me smile :-) I don't know much about the technical side of this, but it is inconvenient. I also wonder how it is even possible that mail from someone else causes my membership to be disabled? Cheers Bastian > > I did receive messages (about 5 or 6) from moasenwood@zoho.eu > interspersed amongst > the missed messages. I checked the headers of the ones I received and > the ones I missed but I could not find any meaningful difference. > > I compared my Gmail to the archives by diffing the mbox files > (https://superuser.com/a/990431/644460 if anyone wants to try) to be > sure that I wasn't missing messages from any other address. I even > checked Janurary and Feburary of emacs-devel and I could only find > missed messages from moasenwood@zoho.eu. > > I can also confirm that, upon rejoining help-gnu-emacs on February 17, > I did not receive this message > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-02/msg00312.html > dated February 20. Maybe other users can check if they have this in > their inbox and report if you are using gmail or something else? > > This issue raises two questions. > 1) Why was I not receiving message from that address. Any thoughts > Emanuel? I did receive your original post "Gmane up again" and some > but not all of the following replies, if that helps. > 2) Should the automatic bounce processing system be changed? I think > my experience confirms that help-gnu-emacs has a bounce score > threshold of 5. >