From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastian Beranek Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:05:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> <87czx94w3b.fsf@mbork.pl> <555c4ea0-dc93-0c84-b25e-395020809941@yandex.ru> <8ed9b4350244e6ebf6f6@heytings.org> <36a33101-64fd-a880-f47e-393d1318517d@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30480"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Gregory Heytings , Help-Gnu-Emacs To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 14:11:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Sne-0007og-3a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 14:11:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45372 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Snc-0000cP-Hu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 08:11:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59190) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9SiK-0000ba-MZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 08:05:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qt1-f181.google.com ([209.85.160.181]:47047) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9SiJ-0002XC-2y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 08:05:56 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-f181.google.com with SMTP id b24so3073423qtp.13 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 05:05:54 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Hmnwg4fmCM19Yh7/EC1H3RqLlqcVm1c74/7PJUKSvT4=; b=XAr/K2q0TJAykWJ0+Ui/35/2dj0Ucc0v/KlRTDcd4/F+y4G6diFLNgEvpZgumyk73p +jv5f2pO9TeCu99L517jex++aAptoxxQzmEDB9TvB6iHHJ5dtSd5izJO3btDoNgngOT9 UI8fMAfrz3TW1C7NWcQgS/qlz6o6P8luyt6La8nHaQgQm6sIGS1/m7VNUGVS6B0s6nlG p7wDIPOJZs9Xu0+E9R14orUSQ20n4wryc5YHL9XHtL7PGG+Q/UPVCZfypCEf4VVfO0XA zOUcVzIijVIuPy4UDmi6OeMsa/6GE5CKzUiO6bDANDGcapoB0C9k/jBsBN/tXIa64DuN Uidg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532CeyoKmHyir2zEFuso1CQyHY06mkIMoDR0utyODnq5ZUKYrZ/X nSZ+2Hr/wmVUtJq7fx2aVZ3+qBSBqkS0VFTAXIU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyi0ve/aIzs/F/wZKQgCuSt0ZDpWsi3LxTaAYqlQrSY+eefj6snJy67PqHHcjfNiLRvoJlnoDSticZ/udTKAvE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:109:: with SMTP id u9mr19532281qtw.116.1612875953546; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 05:05:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <36a33101-64fd-a880-f47e-393d1318517d@yandex.ru> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.160.181; envelope-from=bastian.beischer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-f181.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.248, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127696 Archived-At: On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 1:56 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 09.02.2021 14:41, Gregory Heytings wrote: > > Users who are trying Emacs for the first time have a direct access to > > "Undo": it's in the tool bar, labeled "Undo". If you put the mouse > > there, it says "Undo last edits (C-x u)". > > That still requires extra research on the part of the user. As well as > subsequent adaptation. > > > Moreover the bindings for > > "undo" are not more exotic than those of copy (M-w), cut (C-w) and paste > > (C-y). > > True, even though it is a bit more exotic (the advertised binding is a > whole key sequence rather than a plain modifier+key). By the way, why doesn't the menu suggest C-/ or C-_ for undo? I use the former, it is particularly easy to type on english keyboards. I personally find C-x u inacceptable for undo because repeated operations are painful with that binding (have to press and release control in rhythm with x, but not with u).