From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PJ Weisberg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line adjustment at the end of a sentence Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87pq59gihf.fsf@lapcat.tftorrey.com> <87r4pokv5w.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe3536dce12b04cc08e0e6 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1350238420 10882 80.91.229.3 (14 Oct 2012 18:13:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 14 20:13:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TNSh9-0002Ih-NK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:13:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45073 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TNSh2-0000bi-Un for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:13:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TNSgw-0000aa-Dc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TNSgv-0003EA-3Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:13:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:65411) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TNSgu-0003Dy-Rl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 14:13:33 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p5so3239778lag.0 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=3LQ6o0GNH+NXKNGjIPoHBMrmK+EQ1YsHVbMeZXLfpZQ=; b=ltLxasKyvzNAWsGx8+ZY1+EvZpA76oE390XGQOt8ZWRHv+LL+F3vKoszuDqB25cggd JaTf6wwjx2iofzM/hH7NaUhKFd3XQbyW1Y7ZX80M7iMX2b3iXBukbiv6OPQ58F6WarFt DMmWZn0KdSFi4hhYAYTuNcJaZA/F2n3yc9YiKmPfdlPIlTydNr9VOMfniCxrSkWWibAQ aiYZhbAMmCBl81T/CIDd/kdPf3uVYQm2StrVOv2NS6roJdtO3SYt44MOpKgnueAR49TX zE6a04QXEcFLsTM5xI6JFDHI57GisaCfIhBnVw9Kra8EJCpTApJ1iAiSV3edjhwjwoju DzgQ== Original-Received: by 10.112.41.36 with SMTP id c4mr3324939lbl.75.1350238411218; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.6.197 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:13:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:87262 Archived-At: --e0cb4efe3536dce12b04cc08e0e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, October 14, 2012, Joe Fineman wrote: > dkcombs@panix.com (David Combs) writes: > >> Next subject: >> >> Is it: >> >> a, b and c > > Most people's natural punctuation; observed religiously in > journalism. They taught this to me in elementary school, and it always seemed like an unusual special case to me. For the last item in the list you leave off the comma, but when you read it aloud you still pause where the comma would be. >> or >> a, b, and c ? > > A shibboleth. Advised by all the tonier stylebooks, and required by > the tonier publishers, on both sides of the Atlantic. As a > copyeditor, I have inserted many thousands of such commas. > > The serial comma (Harvard comma, Oxford comma) has been controversial > for at least a century. The name "Harvard comma" is usual among > journalists & probably harks back to the time when "Harvard" in such > circles connoted "rich intellectual snob". http://greaterthanlapsed.tumblr.com/post/10340315471/aundressa-weexist-weresist-ejob -- -PJ Gehm's Corollary to Clark's Law: Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. --e0cb4efe3536dce12b04cc08e0e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday, October 14, 2012, Joe Fineman <joe_f@verizon.net> wrote:
> dkcombs@panix.com=A0(David Combs) writes:
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>>= Next subject:
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>> Is it:
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>> =A0 =A0a, b and c
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> Most people's natural punctuation; observed religiously in> journalism.

They taught this to me in elementary school, and = it always seemed like an unusual special case to me. =A0For the last item i= n the list you leave off the comma, but when you read it aloud you still pa= use where the comma would be.

>> or
>> =A0 a, b, and c =A0?
>
> A shibbole= th. =A0Advised by all the tonier stylebooks, and required by
> the to= nier publishers, on both sides of the Atlantic. =A0As a
> copyeditor,= I have inserted many thousands of such commas.
>
> The serial comma (Harvard comma, Oxford comma) has been contro= versial
> for at least a century. =A0The name "Harvard comma&quo= t; is usual among
> journalists & probably harks back to the time= when "Harvard" in such
> circles connoted "rich intellectual snob".

http://greaterthanlapsed.tumblr.com/post/10340315471/aundressa-= weexist-weresist-ejob

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-PJ

Gehm's Corollary to Clark's Law: Any technolo= gy distinguishable from
magic is insufficiently advanced.
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