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From: PJ Weisberg <pj@irregularexpressions.net>
To: "Ludwig, Mark" <ludwig.mark@siemens.com>
Cc: notbob <notbob@nothome.com>,
	"help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Issues with emacs
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 08:49:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJsNXTkpC4piBJ-VgqTu9_7x1viKVw8rx9TFty=ars17DOt=4w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BC5672F8AD4C054BAF167C9801500D1A914B1145@USSLMMBX003.net.plm.eds.com>

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Ludwig, Mark <ludwig.mark@siemens.com> wrote:
>> From: notbob
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:28 PM
>> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: Issues with emacs
>>
>> I realize emacs would be much more useful if I was a programmer,
>> particularly a lisp programmer, but I'm not.
>
> This summarizes the split among the Emacs user community that I see in this discussion thread.  Those of us who are programmer types are probably a lot happier with Emacs as it is (and as it has been since its start many decades ago) than those who aren't programmer types.  Partly it's mindset, but also gets to depth of knowledge about how to use the tool -- and how to change what it does/how it works.

http://notinventedhe.re/on/2010-1-18
http://notinventedhe.re/on/2010-1-19
http://notinventedhe.re/on/2010-1-20
http://notinventedhe.re/on/2010-1-28

Someone in this thread mentioned the M-< and M-> keys to go to the
beginning and end of the buffer.  I never knew about those, but I
wrote my own command bound to C-e that goes to the end of the line
when invoked once, then to the end of the buffer if invoked twice in a
row*.  And I was very happy with the result.  I use IDEs that provide
more functionality, but I'm always annoyed when I want to redefine a
command and I can't.  I understand that this is very atypical of
today's computer user, but I still have difficulty putting myself into
the mindset of someone who isn't even interested in learning how to
modify a program's behavior.

*The C-a version might need to be tapped three times to go to the
beginning of the buffer, because it makes a stop at the first
non-whitespace character on the line with the first tap.

> Regarding bloat, an analogy: if all you ever need is one specific knife blade, a Swiss Army Knife will seem to have a lot of bloat.

http://www.swisstechtools.com/proddetail.aspx?pid=5

It's about the size of a small knife, but it's also a screwdriver and
a bottle opener and fits nicely on my key chain (a bit bigger than my
house key and much smaller than my car key).

My point is that you can have lots of features and as long as they
stay hidden and don't take up much space when you're not using them,
they cost nothing.  I've never used the bottle opener, but I have no
desire to get rid of it, and maybe some day I'll need to open a
bottle.  I've never used Gnus, but it's never gotten in my way either.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-27 15:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.2952.1339986753.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-18  3:22 ` Emacs users a dying breed? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18  9:32   ` djc
2012-06-18 10:25     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-18 17:09     ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-21 15:27 ` rusi
2012-06-22  6:19   ` Tom
2012-06-22  8:45     ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22  9:40       ` Tom
2012-06-22 11:07         ` Bastien
2012-06-22 11:16           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 23:19             ` James Freer
2012-06-25  7:23               ` give emacs --daemon / emacsclient a try (was: Re: Emacs users a dying breed?) Gregor Zattler
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3407.1340581002.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  2:58               ` Emacs for writers (was " rusi
2012-06-25  9:38                 ` James Freer
2012-06-26 21:47                   ` James Freer
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3534.1340747277.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27  3:41                     ` rusi
2012-06-22 13:13           ` Emacs users a dying breed? Tom
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3233.1340370922.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 14:12             ` Jay Belanger
2012-06-22 15:02               ` Tom
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3245.1340377350.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-22 18:25                 ` John Bokma
2012-06-22 11:17         ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-22 12:03           ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 12:21             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-22 13:04               ` Jonathan Groll
2012-06-23 11:33                 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:05                   ` Teemu Likonen
2012-06-23 12:35                     ` Philipp Haselwarter
2012-06-23 12:53                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-23 13:53                       ` S Boucher
2012-06-23 12:37                     ` suvayu ali
2012-06-25 19:00                   ` Ken Goldman
2012-06-23 14:02               ` S Boucher
2012-06-22 12:46             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-22 13:27               ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-22 13:45               ` Doug Lewan
2012-06-22 13:09           ` Tom
2012-07-02 11:36             ` Mihamina Rakotomandimby
2012-06-22 15:08 ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) rusi
2012-06-22 15:26   ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-23  2:28     ` rusi
2012-06-23  9:47       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-22 16:41   ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Drew Adams
2012-06-22 18:01     ` Bastien
2012-06-23 20:04       ` Tom
2012-06-24 11:38         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2012-06-24 14:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25 19:23           ` Ludwig, Mark
     [not found]         ` <mailman.3361.1340537904.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 13:52           ` Issues with emacs Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]       ` <mailman.3330.1340481863.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-23 23:49         ` Dan Espen
2012-06-24  1:24           ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-24  2:39           ` ken
2012-06-25 18:02             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26  3:03               ` becoming a developer [was: Re: Issues with emacs] ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3485.1340679833.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26  3:23                 ` rusi
     [not found]                   ` <CAPyVhy_fL3KLrNzqOMbg69UqUMAKPmXbbu7gVYQcK+KiML44hA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <CAJ+Teof7T6qXdztq_Pjh+S8gVXQV-ToYJ6EQrPNYQAumn_aDOA@mail.gmail.com>
2012-06-27 13:38                       ` antoine no
2012-06-27 17:44                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2012-06-26 12:29                 ` becoming a lisp developer Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:36                   ` ken
2012-06-27 16:12                     ` PJ Weisberg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3561.1340811384.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-27 16:09                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]             ` <mailman.3455.1340647361.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25 18:40               ` Issues with emacs notbob
2012-06-25 19:05                 ` Glyn Millington
     [not found]           ` <mailman.3348.1340505598.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24  6:39             ` rusi
2012-06-24  7:01               ` Corentin Henry
2012-06-24  7:55                 ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 17:38                     ` Andreas Röhler
2012-06-24 18:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.3355.1340524541.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:17                   ` notbob
2012-06-24 13:24                     ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 14:42                       ` Yuri Khan
2012-06-24 15:08                       ` Gregory Benjamin
2012-06-25 19:26                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 16:24                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-25 19:25                         ` Deniz Dogan
2012-06-24 13:36                     ` Richard Riley
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.3362.1340544276.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 14:03                       ` notbob
2012-06-24 16:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-24 10:14               ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 14:18                 ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 15:41                   ` Rainer M Krug
2012-06-24 16:07                     ` Drew Adams
2012-06-24 16:48                       ` Rainer M Krug
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3354.1340521292.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-24 12:15                 ` notbob
2012-06-24 14:02               ` Drew Adams
2012-06-25  3:54               ` ken
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3424.1340596458.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-25  5:51                 ` rusi
2012-06-25  7:45                   ` Helmut Eller
2012-06-25  8:57                     ` Tom
2012-06-25 21:24                       ` Jeremiah Dodds
2012-06-26  5:50                         ` Tom
2012-06-26 20:08                           ` Jeremiah Dodds
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.3486.1340689846.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 13:29                           ` notbob
2012-06-26 17:47                             ` Dustin Hemmerling
2012-06-26 18:13                             ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2012-06-26 18:32                             ` Richard Riley
2012-06-28 12:14                               ` Tom
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.3520.1340735564.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 19:28                               ` notbob
2012-06-26 19:49                                 ` Ludwig, Mark
2012-06-26 19:52                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2012-06-27 15:49                                   ` PJ Weisberg [this message]
2012-06-28  2:09                                     ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.3523.1340740164.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-26 20:13                                   ` notbob
2012-06-26 23:57                             ` John Wiegley
2012-06-27  9:23                               ` temacs Jambunathan K
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-06-28  2:40                                   ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-06-28  8:49                                     ` temacs Bastien
2012-06-29 19:37                                       ` temacs Ken Goldman
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.3732.1340998682.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2012-06-30  3:51                                         ` temacs rusi
2012-06-27 14:44                                 ` temacs suvayu ali
2012-06-27 16:24                                   ` temacs Alp Aker
2012-06-27 19:57                                     ` temacs Ken Goldman
2012-07-05  4:14                                 ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-05 12:46                                   ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-07-07 16:51                                     ` temacs John Wiegley
2012-07-07 17:20                                       ` temacs Eli Zaretskii
2012-06-27 15:48                             ` Issues with emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-06-26  3:08                     ` rusi
2012-06-26  8:35                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-06-27  5:54                   ` MBR
2012-06-26 18:03             ` Bug Dout
2012-06-25  2:43       ` Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Ugly Sean

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