From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Yates Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 13:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <46f308ff-5a70-8ccc-310b-48167088ff5a@yandex.ru> <87woirsvdb.fsf@telefonica.net> <87d0kjspdg.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="146588"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 15 19:41:22 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hQxu6-000c0D-Lw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 19:41:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40392 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQxu5-0002jm-GL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 13:41:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQxtd-0002Wo-Fo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 13:40:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQxkE-000077-Ee for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 13:31:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com ([209.85.221.48]:42035) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hQxkE-00005o-8n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 May 2019 13:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id l2so383291wrb.9 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ljStjfl6qce9Yifx26ddbQ5YE1hXbYkAYTX5l6uQLgA=; b=eUfPn/t9amKLDqSyuFExcJg6ezwDvW+06LwQzXwSC/z/TxQ7oHpgWXBX78d7UVgCVJ QN7dyIQp/ET+qusCTXTY1mseMjy3CmrWM/+4MRqqDAv9l2Xv/sFxHsfoGDE5V0kp3LZG WowAQqImigpuNn+5BbbexGkkJxBCDYUeQNOBDgYbbkH69rVu+5FwxyJVlL9y4KwQFydZ 3dzSnEGkCu9wR0gDH+MFBvS9QSkpgTyob1zjwxWSUPYajm2yZQ3cf5HCepaB8ev8LDc0 HZbN0wAqJPCh3X8L+WuSWlAz7Q5krDXiu6GtQ/P+qlwe7xgMm314SjehkNJHZsaUk+Lz GV2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX7prlbSPXI2GS0BoIsBJbDHGcYU/Ikjf93wwZGq2T71Z5FTmUy +qhVuKODpg2jQCrnqhNJ2neePMrZPcT5lG5gSSc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyv/gz1Tz+IwidWhWH9yenLcy53J9r1LJePeM/1KM5O4q1rtiEIk6jyfA11/1r4aWbZTrLbLel2nvuZrNrxfsA= X-Received: by 2002:adf:dfc4:: with SMTP id q4mr23452076wrn.201.1557941468608; Wed, 15 May 2019 10:31:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.221.48 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120407 Archived-At: On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:56 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I know it's natural. > I also get annoyed by some of those changes (including some that I install). > But maintainers have to look further than that (although they have to > take it into account). I have been using emacs since 1992 (Lucid emacs at Apollo Computer). I am approaching 70 and still happy to change habits. I am far more concerned about emacs attracting new converts and new development talent than humoring crotchety current users. (Does anyone really think that they will abandon the tribe?) All reasonably well thought out changes that make emacs more regular and easier for newbies to master have my vote. /john