From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Samuel Wales Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87sgtwboot.fsf@telefonica.net> <83muk4obfd.fsf@gnu.org> <20190502214006.4fdsinp7u5xuqvdv@Ergus> <20190503004416.xfuzzucflp6bxpuz@Ergus> <8736lm30lz.fsf@web.de> <864l61j04d.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190511073254.GB29829@tuxteam.de> <20190608085246.GC28228@tuxteam.de> <8336kjcl29.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="150281"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 11 22:23:37 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hanIv-000czV-IA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:23:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55306 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hanIu-0001jz-JA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:23:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hanIg-0001fe-0g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:23:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hanIf-0001Xp-3i for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:23:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x12f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12f]:41754) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hanId-0001SK-B5; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:23:19 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id 136so10295041lfa.8; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QSebMmxM0t29eDUskSqaMaIPR+tjLF1VpKtvBpjdGdQ=; b=kZPci3wGs70ArURj9VHz41iVV9/qs0QpRv8PSAFPx3byQT8yPMG+3cDP8GiRifABj9 Sqh/pXUM3N20xzSOQ2+d7ImZnhCfsZVKY+BZ86k8Gz4yX6EK1Tg7gwOuxq0pW38oXuUI NAmiqOyid9NXglPxToCTYk+33X0tDuxE1vCtn53U8zXnOBgkQ9NaLh7nnBdW5ao0TOhy 0zzJfj2xn71Ui+m01zGnKl/jk8ZzMYj+kNy2XL2yZ9s2oViX7x08kybGDullJyzR16xm EO6wR0iY2IAlfYBWK6gGCA4Vtib/bNpiC5IvGgZ8CtP3piHAl/emqyVb1aOFmQCrYXe0 mpDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QSebMmxM0t29eDUskSqaMaIPR+tjLF1VpKtvBpjdGdQ=; b=fR7qTFs60EVWRgNxKGKA2dPKOtVn5YJ+sIfXYlkgG642eSfPrfMLuSwgl4ZsZ1MgDT +JdaidXP7jprALiWCDwlbuCQ0iPkb4deGY1WBI2lWvhfJCppwwZSWWL6yXlTQ0uyzL0t v0TCTW2FGYaDVosWkKKf2DkE4OAOjq/UMCuA5GoA8MjaNEX2IBQseevWpG3iuTGYDlxC W2/BqR3NNS6d88u1nq1mSzsW0BbiuhmEOhpFuFsBmvPog2DsxaFOnachl9SLQmZ4dCCG G81ORaZTI6CGSy4inWh8zss7sIoGIRPUla/GuRpxE7cnN33u9VozBTiaMbhUL95fkHWA M9bA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXQkNp7BVpnDzn7314zzcropX8dyDwF2GzCRsNihAA/V9korflo qfNotjcVg3CIeT7h7NfTv04WDZwCXvAyhq78q0fuzSD67c4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx9WmkhJlSeczw/Z3o1xAukVT3rnhgedJ3GVrRaCkzQmVThk4oXDSm/q4hYqTULlLE40ZgXXphvnhSMailV00Y= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:558a:: with SMTP id v10mr39896928lfg.41.1560284594856; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:ac2:5a5c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:23:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8336kjcl29.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::12f X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120914 Archived-At: On 6/8/19, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > The literal question of whether Lisp can be sped up was answered > already: what we have is probably as fast as it can be. Minor > That is why there are "out of the box" ideas that float around, like > JIT byte-compilation, compilation to native code instead of byte code, to me those are valid attempts to answer the literal question.