From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Samuel Wales Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 18:24:49 -0700 Message-ID: References: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526779418 20947 195.159.176.226 (20 May 2018 01:23:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 01:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: edgar@openmail.cc Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 20 03:23:34 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKD4P-0005KH-Ch for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 May 2018 03:23:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44790 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKD6U-0006Jk-Rg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 May 2018 21:25:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42550) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKD5j-0006JE-JR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 May 2018 21:24:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKD5i-0005Lj-Pb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 May 2018 21:24:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c07::233]:46569) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKD5g-0005Hu-IV; Sat, 19 May 2018 21:24:52 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf0-x233.google.com with SMTP id z27-v6so2948602lfg.13; Sat, 19 May 2018 18:24:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=t6z6FZv9d3K0EyNaawthx3VciLgnAk090Den99UiEH4=; b=rWQvhHCDsiogcaxlsqZrdzLKKkurb0iGcmUtALVPxYqTobeReh+4uEQLnxijfRYt+W n6QFDnJr83jJvfmK1z9+ibqShTxLen+ZFZ+nv3+kH4dJNbj2HMdyMKWdYeAnzijRE7p7 K9GjtzaeHmT5jR/hJzM+1TDKu186XhVUjSUBGeD9PRmxRZgIqm+RfcA7N/TlJsTHS4qV AYm62YiB54FClzHf5BEdM1fu7ITc0/FMy6OkeSUAEi9sIc+XlB2Wt5pCfUrG9ui9+0Fy 7E/yRWbOt9Z7GabPhvkZJAIloNJiOn73hUGlKjh9RUG7sn+0uWWYgDSav1zz+q4NYAMJ Gn5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=t6z6FZv9d3K0EyNaawthx3VciLgnAk090Den99UiEH4=; b=X8IL26+uOHEFWOPqdwS/VfjiZIBVSiBxeZ1b1aKylHrYP2UERPHtVrtuXrnKH0dtNR 6032jvP17z638cYsJ9RENT7iP5VjnCrJvcbdNKVLTgxn81QQ0Xcnlk2zzEGDGOBukpdd oQt2cY+QHQgycXazcxG0h0/lUZyEF4JU9Bnrz9c2T4X4xfvS74ahtMZQM25RotgbYifO QzBAdcygE8LJ9s8/OLWIRC7By0YTuImDZtCYm4gMvEMx8yyzr1QovREt9yqhfzHq9689 6SEe+mMrZ2QxXBXfr0Rjxh1LzycSCev4bzwoWfltj7SQ29DijI7RQfFpDNnukQbeLI3S e3YA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwcUIXYHY8E2z4V6Y1lcmofycNQfrYJOzdMWyozD1vTH5LTzzcLo 1TdJ8Yd6Q5TqffxBOrxh8Y44Qy7co11swt7ss/Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZr7SdLe8NdJgppUpHOWDFtTV/G9335b+eYGBbT3zZHx+RgmdSVB8J/u7/txOpn4IwnQkjAU1Jnt9eYSQhCOWRU= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9949:: with SMTP id r9-v6mr7729581ljj.53.1526779490580; Sat, 19 May 2018 18:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a19:f501:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2018 18:24:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c07::233 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116782 gmane.emacs.orgmode:120467 Archived-At: perhaps we can start thinking about improving registration between formats? if you export org [you posted to org mailng list] to a foreign format, you want your collaborator to be able to edit, save, send back without raising a sweat. now you have to integrate the changes. you want to do this without annoyance. suppose you export comments in the foreign format that contain the equivalent of persistent markers. you might or might not be willing to put org id or custom id on every heading, but there might be workarounds that are not so intrusive. maybe your source can contain comments with markers. dunno. if your exported document is a subtree within a huge org file that you edit all the time, registration allows your software to identify that subtree, so you're not trying to change anything outside that subtree. that alone is a win. but maybe we can do more. the markers can register sections or even paragraphs if you're doing intensive collaboration. the tricky part might be getting standard tools to understand that the mapping of markers takes precedence over everything else. details of this handwavey and possibly impossible brainstorm are left as an exercise for the reader.