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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.orgmode:156691 gmane.emacs.help:144876 Archived-At: On 1/15/09, Kevin Rodgers wrote: >> However, most prefix every line. For example, boxquote by default uses >> "|". >> >> While an experienced user can figure out rectangle commands or write a >> command to unpack the quote, new users and users who can't type much >> might skip using the code to avoid having to do that. And a very new >> user could actually stick the whole thing in .emacs and wonder why it >> doesn't work. It adds to the burden of fixing a problem or meeting a >> need in emacs without providing much benefit. Even a few keystrokes >> can do that. >> >> Perhaps quotes of code, in all packages like boxquote, could by >> default get fancy only on the lines precediing and following. >> >> What do you think? > > ,----[ C-h f boxquote-unbox RET ] > | boxquote-unbox is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `boxquote.el'. > | (boxquote-unbox) > | > | Remove the boxquote that contains `point'. > | > | [back] > `---- thanks for your suggestion. as i said, i am suggesting that the prefixed lines should never be prefixed in the first place. i don't think it adds enough to outweigh the extra keystrokes, rectangle, boxquote package, etc. i don't think all newcomers will know what to do. imho, above and below quoting is a preferable default convention. exceptions are few and can be optional.