email headers on lists like this one

email headers on lists like this one

[Samuel Wales]

i am subscribed to this list, but it is in a different folder.  even
if i participate in a thread, including starting one, it stays in that
folder, so i frequently miss replies to my posts.  are there settings
for these maiing lists that will add headers like in-reply-to or
references or something so that those particular threads will show up
in my inbox?

[please note that i am aware that my particular email is webmail.  i
am not asking for advice on using it [such advice would be welcome
offline] and insead asking if the mailing list, on which most posts,
including replies, seem to be "to the list", can be set with some
feature that is more likely to put threads that i participate in into
my inbox, without putting all threads there.  then i won't miss
replies as much.  in this case it isn't threads per se but soething
called conversations, but idk the details.]

thanks.

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Re: email headers on lists like this one

[Yuri Khan]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 at 08:38, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:

> i am subscribed to this list, but it is in a different folder.  even
> if i participate in a thread, including starting one, it stays in that
> folder, so i frequently miss replies to my posts.  are there settings
> for these maiing lists that will add headers like in-reply-to or
> references or something so that those particular threads will show up
> in my inbox?

Pretty much nobody on the list is going to know exactly how you set up
your filter that moves list messages to the label.

As a Gmail user I am using a filter like this:

Matches: list:"help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org"
Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label "emacs", Never send it to Spam, Never
mark it as important

and if yours is any similar, I’d expect you’d want to add a condition
“and To: or CC: does not include <your address>” and then ask people
to add you to To or Cc in replies addressed to you. (Optionally, a
second filter for messages to the list *and* you, to apply label but
not skip inbox.)

Re: email headers on lists like this one

[Björn Bidar]

Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:

> i am subscribed to this list, but it is in a different folder.  even
> if i participate in a thread, including starting one, it stays in that
> folder, so i frequently miss replies to my posts.  are there settings
> for these maiing lists that will add headers like in-reply-to or
> references or something so that those particular threads will show up
> in my inbox?

There are ways to do that however if a user doesn't correctly cc or to
the mailing list you have to move the email manually if they for example
address you directly or in cc.
Only the mailing list it self sets the headers.

> [please note that i am aware that my particular email is webmail.  i
> am not asking for advice on using it [such advice would be welcome
> offline] and insead asking if the mailing list, on which most posts,
> including replies, seem to be "to the list", can be set with some
> feature that is more likely to put threads that i participate in into
> my inbox, without putting all threads there.  then i won't miss
> replies as much.  in this case it isn't threads per se but soething
> called conversations, but idk the details.]

There are headers for that however please check your mail provider for
how to filter, for example if you have sieve you can do very good
filtering.

The headers that you can use to filter mailing list are standardized
to an extended some have custom entries that can help to further filter
your mails.
For example this list has these headers:
List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/help-gnu-emacs>,
 <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs>
List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>,
 <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe>

You can view if you view the mail raw in your email program, most web
uis allows that too.

If you have sieve you can for the field list-id quite good to filter
list.

For example I have this filter for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org:

require ["fileinto", "regex", "mailbox"];
if anyof(header :matches "List-ID" "*<help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org>",
  address :matches "from" "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org",
  address :matches "cc" "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org",
  address :matches "to" "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org") {
    fileinto "Emacs.Help";
    stop;
}


If no one has you in cc or to using list-id is enough however  using cc
or to is a good safety measure to make sure they go to your list folder.

Br,

Björn

Re: email headers on lists like this one

[Emanuel Berg]

Björn Bidar wrote:

>> i am subscribed to this list, but it is in a different
>> folder. even if i participate in a thread, including
>> starting one, it stays in that folder, so i frequently miss
>> replies to my posts. are there settings for these maiing
>> lists that will add headers like in-reply-to or references
>> or something so that those particular threads will show up
>> in my inbox?
>
> There are ways to do that however if a user doesn't
> correctly cc

Okay, what's the correct CC then?

> There are headers for that however please check your mail
> provider how to filter

*client

In general, for Emacs, mailing lists and FOSS use Emacs Gnus
[see screenshot] with Gmane, CC (case closed).

https://dataswamp.org/~incal/figures/emacs/gnus/gnus-gmane.png

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Re: email headers on lists like this one

[Samuel Wales]

unfortunately i am going to admit that i am more confused than ever.

[the story: i want to notice replies to my emails and conversations in
which i have participated.  but i send emacs mailing list email to a
tag/folder.  i want the ones i am part of to go to my inbox or
some other prominent location.]

can it be done without requesting all respondents to include me in cc
or to?  that seems burdensome to them and brittle.

alternatives sem to be by some header magic at the emacs mailing list
server, or by filtering in my webmail.


here is the thing: i note that my webmail puts a unicode >> in front
of conversation that have posts directed to me and > in front of
conversations that include me as part of them.  this is /exactly/ the
distinciton i want.

i want all emacs mailng list email to go to my emacs folder / tag /
[whatever it is in this webmail], /except/ all conversations with > or
>>, which go to inbox.  so, if gmail had an e.g. has:arrows search
trick [idk if it does], then maybe i could construct a filter to go to
the emacs tag that would look like [list:emacs -(has:arrows)] or
something.  i probably got that wrong due to cognitive issues.

idk if it does have that feature in its search capability, but given
that it has that feature /in the first place/ suggests to me that all
the information it needs, it has.  although maybe it has to look at
all posts in the conversation to know?

i do notice that if i search for mail like list:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
(to:me OR from:me), then that is a pretty good approximation of the
conversations i want to notice.  but the filter interface does not
allow search expressions.

On 11/26/22, Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> wrote:
> Björn Bidar wrote:
>
>>> i am subscribed to this list, but it is in a different
>>> folder. even if i participate in a thread, including
>>> starting one, it stays in that folder, so i frequently miss
>>> replies to my posts. are there settings for these maiing
>>> lists that will add headers like in-reply-to or references
>>> or something so that those particular threads will show up
>>> in my inbox?
>>
>> There are ways to do that however if a user doesn't
>> correctly cc
>
> Okay, what's the correct CC then?
>
>> There are headers for that however please check your mail
>> provider how to filter
>
> *client
>
> In general, for Emacs, mailing lists and FOSS use Emacs Gnus
> [see screenshot] with Gmane, CC (case closed).
>
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal/figures/emacs/gnus/gnus-gmane.png
>
> --
> underground experts united
> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>
>
>


-- 
The Kafka Pandemic

A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy:
https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com

Re: email headers on lists like this one

[Samuel Wales]

welli was wrong.  the search experssion, even if it could be tured
into a filter, gets too many false positives.

list:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org (to:me OR from:me) needs some tweaking for that.

On 11/29/22, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
> unfortunately i am going to admit that i am more confused than ever.
>
> [the story: i want to notice replies to my emails and conversations in
> which i have participated.  but i send emacs mailing list email to a
> tag/folder.  i want the ones i am part of to go to my inbox or
> some other prominent location.]
>
> can it be done without requesting all respondents to include me in cc
> or to?  that seems burdensome to them and brittle.
>
> alternatives sem to be by some header magic at the emacs mailing list
> server, or by filtering in my webmail.
>
>
> here is the thing: i note that my webmail puts a unicode >> in front
> of conversation that have posts directed to me and > in front of
> conversations that include me as part of them.  this is /exactly/ the
> distinciton i want.
>
> i want all emacs mailng list email to go to my emacs folder / tag /
> [whatever it is in this webmail], /except/ all conversations with > or
>>>, which go to inbox.  so, if gmail had an e.g. has:arrows search
> trick [idk if it does], then maybe i could construct a filter to go to
> the emacs tag that would look like [list:emacs -(has:arrows)] or
> something.  i probably got that wrong due to cognitive issues.
>
> idk if it does have that feature in its search capability, but given
> that it has that feature /in the first place/ suggests to me that all
> the information it needs, it has.  although maybe it has to look at
> all posts in the conversation to know?
>
> i do notice that if i search for mail like list:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> (to:me OR from:me), then that is a pretty good approximation of the
> conversations i want to notice.  but the filter interface does not
> allow search expressions.
>
> On 11/26/22, Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org> wrote:
>> Björn Bidar wrote:
>>
>>>> i am subscribed to this list, but it is in a different
>>>> folder. even if i participate in a thread, including
>>>> starting one, it stays in that folder, so i frequently miss
>>>> replies to my posts. are there settings for these maiing
>>>> lists that will add headers like in-reply-to or references
>>>> or something so that those particular threads will show up
>>>> in my inbox?
>>>
>>> There are ways to do that however if a user doesn't
>>> correctly cc
>>
>> Okay, what's the correct CC then?
>>
>>> There are headers for that however please check your mail
>>> provider how to filter
>>
>> *client
>>
>> In general, for Emacs, mailing lists and FOSS use Emacs Gnus
>> [see screenshot] with Gmane, CC (case closed).
>>
>> https://dataswamp.org/~incal/figures/emacs/gnus/gnus-gmane.png
>>
>> --
>> underground experts united
>> https://dataswamp.org/~incal
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> The Kafka Pandemic
>
> A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy:
> https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
>


-- 
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A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy:
https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com

Re: email headers on lists like this one

[Emanuel Berg]

Samuel Wales wrote:

> unfortunately i am going to admit that i am more confused
> than ever.
>
> [the story: i want to notice replies to my emails and
> conversations in which i have participated. but i send emacs
> mailing list email to a tag/folder. i want the ones i am
> part of to go to my inbox or some other prominent location.]

What client are you using?

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