From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sacha Chua Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: what I should do, and the "Emacs News Ezine" Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 01:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <865zs7bkqx.fsf@zoho.eu> <871s2tytwn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8636n8sboz.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> <87r2asxtw6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="18357"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Sacha Chua Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 29 07:02:49 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h9kbJ-0004cA-3a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 07:02:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47091 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h9kbI-0002Ln-4t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 02:02:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39401) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h9k3e-0002f8-Vd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 01:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h9k3c-0007Ee-R3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 01:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw1-xc36.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::c36]:33771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h9k3c-0007E7-0P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 01:28:00 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yw1-xc36.google.com with SMTP id l5so285166ywa.0 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:27:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sachachua-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=4sTk0UV5it+tqrwFloanmnyI6FLmjYumfgj5LYH6Nig=; b=EfZ9Wo8jqvCZJsDm8s+uAKGQXyd2yXH36zeaBoAj1/yzVrGXJatY+bUiY9iKYWpY3u BsyilfgWzLVqvIgXTBR2OtiwT3FKHq/CWXvu/yOz1R3FJTPNQSlU8tIu/IMPtVgD/Iha tEurc2L8zor0kTeG5BXpaiF/qkLQsfyJmRjRMAr/0dt+Xlm4fLaNJe/K9/aNmhNEUKWq 5UEv3L1lxc4gTT2PIILF8Khh/6USSybJu3sFMGACJE3tEX+B9bvTOCKtNWzw2UeC3c6e rFwr/rLSr6If6VwsP9A9Dmc9hajuSzzEhVZXla06krMRvvxl+mZRtoxmPyEG29GvoT3R ieFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=4sTk0UV5it+tqrwFloanmnyI6FLmjYumfgj5LYH6Nig=; b=rdzbjnFpJDg1Z7lLX5tEWQ4PnkrO+V7XirsPFlBbKko5YjPBLgaWhVLg+UbKO1TWH6 KAXqDmXpQecGlKeuqvf+rhMoQRbPgLHZH48a0cH7l4rseOR1GeXD6s3wG0T+CuMJymPn xv2iogZjd/xoNfwfeuoXurFa46YdB5VsIIEj1BnJBqF/EMuoFKdj2Uf5dZPGE7yzyvop Lm8WyvMSvu40Nzz9Iz6cQn8MraHPPFaZw3lPZt1/OfJXzbHUXDwkpQfENE9XPW9H43Zh 6xl4tuLzSyMKFmfYyIfm120kT4VILEeMYltRZKyhrZi2KEynuTnr8dLcj6NpMZXdXWiO wG0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVr1TS9BYH2GsM9OzFk+QOznTPv/xn2EoGRLfUUyi77OwDzqCHr cxElhTk1v1QGP2YNzJ3+DyV5ztYSNOHxXaxVE5N+eHcer1ldYg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyhJErSSYrVypkaSRYD5F7GxCFaLY5up/mjVqfkvDoK3786u0zD/9tU82P6nJFsK1ErbY/0aEXRKMGrbC1Txqk= X-Received: by 2002:a81:8807:: with SMTP id y7mr4033746ywf.356.1553837277751; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:27:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87r2asxtw6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c36 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 02:02:32 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:119777 Archived-At: Hello, Emanuel, Amin, all! On Wed., Mar. 27, 2019, 10:40 Amin Bandali, wrote: > Now for the question. If code and projects aren't announced on > listbots/newsgroups, how will people know about them? > > This is not just a question of my projects, but also the other way > around - how will *I* know what *other* people do? > Yeah, that=E2=80=99s a bit of a tough one. There are a few ad hoc soluti= ons > like Planet Emacsen [0] and Sacha Chua=E2=80=99s weekly-compiled Emacs Ne= ws [1], > >From what I've seen, it seems like discovery works mostly like this: - Many people stumble across relevant code/posts by searching, if they happen to think with the same keywords that the authors did - Many people ask questions on reddit.com/r/emacs, emacs.stackexchange.com, irc.freenode.net (#emacs), and mailing lists - Many people read Planet Emacsen or their own collection of Emacs-related feeds - A number of people help "glue" the community together by responding to people's questions and pointing them to either links or better keywords to search for, or commenting on people's posts with suggestions or appreciation. - Quite a few people stumble across stuff while watching videos or looking at screenshots focusing on something else. This is where we get questions like "What's the modeline used in this video?" - When people find people who think like they do (similar workflow or areas of interest), they like exploring those people's other contributions. This is where blogs and public source code repositories like Github help a lot. - Some people actively look for interesting new things in the firehose (Twitter, Google searches, lots of blog subscriptions outside Planet Emacsen) and post links to them to aggregators or wikis (irreal.org, reddit.com/r/emacs, reddit.com/r/planetemacs, awesome-emacs, EmacsWiki) - A few automated sources help too (new packages, changes to the NEWS files, etc). - General discussions and meetups are great too. Thanks for posting lots of little code snippets. I wonder if having your own blog would make it easier for people who like one thing of yours to discover other things of yours. I also see people respond positively to posts or links on Reddit that start off describing the problem/motivation and then share a snippet of code or announce a package. Since people use different keywords to find things, you might think about how other people would describe that problem too. Screenshots, animated GIFs, workflow posts, and videos are handy as well. Also, people often come across posts years later, so it's good to not expect immediate appreciation. =3D) I like sharing my little hacks because writing helps me understand and remember things better (especially months or years later), and if anyone actually finds things useful, that's a pleasant surprise. Other people are more deliberate about sharing, and invest time in packaging things up and writing about them so that they'll be more useful to more people. You'll find your sweet spot. > suited person for such a job because I only know what goes on on my own > computer and workshop - and sometimes, actually, not even that :)) > You are already totally qualified to write about the resources you find, what you think about them, how you've been applying them to your own workflows, what you're curious about next, and so on. =3D) We're all buildi= ng maps through this huge space of possibilities, and every person's map adds something useful. Actually, looking at [2], I just discovered the emacs-tangents list [3], > available on gmane as gmane.emacs.tangents, which seems like Sacha posts > her weekly news there too. Though it=E2=80=99s mostly been only Sacha po= sting > there for a while, it seems like anyone from the public can post there? > Yup, that's open. It's for anything that's Emacs-related but off-topic on the other lists. Most people reading it are probably used to just seeing Emacs News, but it's okay to shift that expectation and have a more vibrant community. People who want just Emacs News in mail form can get it from my site, so that's okay. > As for volunteering for the compilation, Sacha probably wouldn=E2=80=99t = mind > some extra help with her weekly news either :) > I'm always happy to have awesome things to link to, so you can help out a lot by contributing links or even making posts I can then link to. =3D) Sometimes people e-mail or tweet me stuff, although I generally like putting the links on something like reddit.com/r/emacs or /r/planetemacs so that there's an avenue for discussion (and then I can link to the discussion as well). Emacs News is a bit on the long but terse side because I try to include most things I come across, relying on titles and categories to help people manage information overload. I think it would be pretty neat if someone went through, say, emacs-devel and highlighted interesting threads a la Linux Weekly News, or maybe did a longer-term overview of news in a particular category - maybe even more specific than the ones I have in the posts. I just updated my Github repo with the emacs-news Org file: https://github.com/sachac/emacs-news . There's a my/emacs-news-collect-entries in my sachachua.com/dotemacs that might be able to reorganize links, although the categories are pretty coarse-grained at the moment. I'd love to see other people's takes on Emacs News! Sacha