From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Narendra Joshi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Etymology of `visiting' files Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:07:22 +0530 Message-ID: References: <87y447oaaw.fsf@rudiments.goosenet.in> <874m6vlefc.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1470665692 11229 195.159.176.226 (8 Aug 2016 14:14:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 08 16:14:47 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bWlKA-0000ql-5T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:14:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57693 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWlK6-0005ef-QD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 10:14:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWjo5-0003GE-AA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 08:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWjo4-0004Uh-5z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 08:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ua0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b]:33165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWjo4-0004UK-13 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 08:37:24 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ua0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 74so65356581uau.0 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 05:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Eh7rv1J3NeEqxHBkb0pbNwHnvpnSAOe0Ys0uFaUn47s=; b=AbzkseFgnKynevtjg7B7+Rm5AzFn4MbfQK353ABVX+J7HQlAj2Cds/3ZCx2Q0IPKqf imugG9W825dtIE9Ej4foVbxKTQ+ITURKjq0gmKRPhNmoKlh7FCkLxzu6p1+mf5molzr3 QwYRnGyY4DHhafmyoZKZwPG3km4C+AydKccPc0mi7L0zjsR+r9HVlmsWPhpkW5pBmqcb n9QPyWMUZHrWRans7TEcnW0BV0gNVs8gQgY/v4E59siEI9Ff3Y2WXsavR2q5rz2kj6o2 ue4bIwntyIwrMwNrshA2TIPbbCcBVZ1ZVkLV+m969mYehQzRGL2P3FUB1N8nsG5ju5TY Ov/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Eh7rv1J3NeEqxHBkb0pbNwHnvpnSAOe0Ys0uFaUn47s=; b=mGyvZbLAHijuUDgcBDquwiVvueCB6wdX5dO5Hem+j9Zbc4Kau0/V8O1gmyGbxEcjmB PyOFr4DcxvsEgcn5CIYSPDlVE5gB7tgqZaDo0NLlvYnSgEN5cX7msrSC/Xwkom7v3osk OK69xbK3Cch6Z/XZFpHcQhzPIUIXfb2//i+yoDqWwfD3ofA2dZRWeYIltC4e0g9IOJhb IPN0VSodW9AdhBMkR+O43TU6AHSzOgmQYEthPbu+/4rgx3xgj1WveKV6GqCJmWNxX0S3 2VRSdktIzIEyA2I20MsM13RaEqA9lUyRevqIsfmpNCFDbIPzgXjf2weVu+m5ZXn3nQeS Byww== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvMyRRFaRNcvMpWjoqIWnbFG4Q78tIxQRyLl3mMUDJQO/yFIHtDmPEJmSi/ssikBrActRyecAuNswpr+Q== X-Received: by 10.159.41.163 with SMTP id s32mr41421410uas.149.1470659843373; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 05:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.31.146.144 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 05:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.31.146.144 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 05:37:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874m6vlefc.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22b X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 10:11:02 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111080 Archived-At: I think it's a buffer visiting the file. The buffer is the guest. Thanks for this perspective. :-) Narendra Joshi On 8 Aug 2016 16:28, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: > Udyant Wig writes: > > > What motivated the choice of the verb `visiting'? > > > > From reading some of the relevant section in the Emacs and Elisp > > manuals, I understand the process the verb names. However, I wanted to > > find some reasoning or discussion about the choice of verb; my own > > expectation would have been something like `edit' or `load', but that > > would be looking through the lens provided by recent editing systems. > > When you visit a friend's home, you enter it, you can look around, and > you may touch and change something (move a vase from the table to the > console) or not, and then leave the house. > > Same with files. > > visit =3D (or edit load) > > edit implies some mutation. > load implies no mutation. > > When you visit, you can do either. > > -- > __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ > =E2=80=9CThe factory of the future will have only two employees, a man an= d a > dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to > keep the man from touching the equipment.=E2=80=9D -- Carl Bass CEO Autod= esk >