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From: Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com>
To: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Emacs Modular Configuration: the preferable way.
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 10:17:30 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGP6POJWsMyW4+sooM8MFV_CisaAVOq+1drjaB+UA4yJhotBwg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM9PR09MB497722D02E06377C5AE4560E960A9@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 7:11 PM Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> wrote:
>
> Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 6:06 PM Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 2:40 PM Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> * Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> [2021-06-21 04:51]:
> >> >> > Dear all,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I noticed the following instructions/tools for Emacs modular configuration:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DotEmacsModular
> >> >> > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DotEmacsStructuring
> >> >> > https://github.com/emacs-jp/init-loader
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There are so many ways to do this. What's the preferable way?
> >> >>
> >> >> Whatever you wish and want. You can feel if you need multiple files or
> >> >> not. Solutions are very individuals.
> >> >
> >> > For now, my demand is as follows:
> >> >
> >> > 1. Use straight and use-package as the package manager.
> >>
> >> Why? Some special reason?
> >
> > For working/dealing with all packages, regardless that they are hosted
> > by Emacs package repos or not. Straight works with git perfectly, and
>
> Which opens for a vulnerability which was discussed on emacs-help some
> few months ago. Of course it is  your personal choice what you will
> download and use, but I would be very careful to just download stuff
> from git without looking at it first.
>
> >> Why? Just for sake of calling it or you have some better reason?
> >
> > Same as above.
>
> I get that "granularity" you speak above without need for 3k+ lines of
> code :).
>
> >>
> >> > 3. Better granular control based on different major mode, popular
> >> > programming languages.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You don't need straight, nor any special package for this, it is how
> >> you structure your code. Check here, granularity is per package (mostly):
> >>
> >> https://github.com/amno1/.emacs.d/blob/main/init.org
> >>
> >> Nothing external required, just built-in stuff that comes out of the
> >> box. Package.el is used to fetch packages from elpa/melpa and few
> >> simple macros to save some typing, not even use-package needed and I
> >> think it is pretty structured init file. I can even configure
> >> early-init.el as it was a hook, which lets me structure entire init
> >> process in one place.
> >
> > From my experience, package.el's package fetch mechanism/speed is
> > fragile and very poor by comparison
> > with straight.
>
> Really? Does straight.el implemnt it's own network stack? I thought it
> uses Emacs facilities, same as package.el. Do you have any numbers to
> back up your opinion?

TBF, no. Just out of limited intuition. To a large extent, I could be
wrong. As you've told, it only relies on git for network operations.

HY
>
> Since you are so experienced and already have made your mind I don't see
> the point of even asking. Especially since author of package.el have
> already done all the "thinking" for you, at least as he puts it on the
> project page:
>
> "straight.el frees you from needing to think about package management,
> since I already did all the thinking to figure how best to design
> everything."
>
> :D I just have no comments on that one.
>


-- 
Assoc. Prof. Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com>
Theory and Simulation of Materials
Hebei Vocational University of Technology and Engineering
NO. 552 North Gangtie Road, Xingtai, China



      reply	other threads:[~2021-06-23  2:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-21  1:40 Emacs Modular Configuration: the preferable way Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-21  2:56 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21  6:40   ` Jean Louis
2021-06-21 16:31     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 19:55       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22  0:06         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 10:14   ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-21 16:40     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 18:25       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-26  0:17         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-26  0:31           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 18:38       ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-22  0:03         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22  0:17           ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22  7:52           ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-26  6:58             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 11:29   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-21 12:45     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-06-21 12:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-21 13:59         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-21 16:51           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 18:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-21 18:26             ` FW: " Drew Adams
2021-06-26  0:06               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 14:11       ` tomas
2021-06-21 16:47         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 18:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-21 21:09             ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22 11:45               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-22 12:29                 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22 13:07                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-21 20:05           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22  0:16             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 21:07           ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22  0:33             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22  0:52               ` Printf and quoting in general, SQL injection in particular Jean Louis
2021-06-26  6:50                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-26  7:30                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-06-26  7:57                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-26  9:37                     ` tomas
2021-06-28  7:02                   ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06  2:12                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-06  2:46                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 20:36         ` Emacs Modular Configuration: the preferable way Jean Louis
2021-06-21 21:15           ` Printf and quoting in general, SQL injection in particular [was: Emacs Modular Configuration: the preferable way] tomas
2021-06-21 21:29             ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22  0:31               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22  0:47                 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-26  6:31                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-28  6:56                     ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06  1:57                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-06 20:04                         ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06 20:19                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22  0:23             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22 12:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-22 12:37                 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22 13:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-22 15:45                     ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22 16:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-22 18:01                         ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22 18:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-26  6:46                           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-26  7:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-28  7:04                               ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06  2:05                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-06 20:09                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06 20:23                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-07  0:00                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-28  6:59                             ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06  2:02                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-06 20:06                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-06 20:20                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-26  6:41                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-26  6:39                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 16:42       ` Emacs Modular Configuration: the preferable way Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22 12:50       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-26  8:05         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-21 20:02   ` Jean Louis
2021-06-22  0:11     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-22  0:19       ` Jean Louis
2021-06-21  6:37 ` Jean Louis
2021-06-21  7:00   ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-21 10:06     ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-21 10:26       ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-21 11:10         ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-23  2:17           ` Hongyi Zhao [this message]

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