From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hongyi Zhao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Too fine design granularity leads to numerous macro/function/command existed in Emacs. Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:25:36 +0800 Message-ID: References: <838s15dcwl.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8a0blby.fsf@gnu.org> <83eeawbijk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12554"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 09:26:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mEo3e-000335-Kj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 09:26:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44150 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mEo3d-00087T-KQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 03:26:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40988) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mEo3G-00084y-G0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 03:25:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lf1-x12e.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12e]:42965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mEo3D-0001WN-S6; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 03:25:54 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lf1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id d4so24270232lfk.9; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 00:25:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Aag2uZeMGIU2NX8vrWAEGEYdugfLuE9MDmUGvXLdOGY=; b=toflI8dZfzjhoXLT4cu8IU9ZKAqXnNWo0gq0gWDvUbaeioY+FxQWPBT3BwOHiHfRx/ vK5ArRLXvlJATlmsAeviGfn8fTqakhuqG2mty9we84pKdI2BKzFAGjrTCuahv48cmENp i7lfrHGsawYvSP6EEeq/ufKFrYLkdNmV0Pt6KPpM8dl/L6iwIk+t8F8b/qirkb7Zu5e1 RkXa8yx9Iyn/rPpsIYRG9alq0y+xe0m/ZKI2uqQ2JgPbVb+GmNvKySjMzbpsJbFW0xac 7kdnpRxJEwqp2v1BVbWo2vD0XddGzkVqzx9LrVOuXUQlwbidhqv7h6BUQJTmw+mI/tyk WWUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Aag2uZeMGIU2NX8vrWAEGEYdugfLuE9MDmUGvXLdOGY=; b=fYWvjKPlE/iV7ZxrcsnPTqczTv1riAFHFMuSk14uFetTqeKbANk8uoE+6YnMKeFbja rAgP4ffRnMjtpKC2CiurwrOUQxQQioOjyD+J+1uUuHMIgVoE18qmD7r1+kMtUeX2iGpB 7QTFyMFQRj3V3gnmcZa2fdXsk7azlMVYZTVh2n4rLD368YqdiLFsLggs+5SbMQwh9L8H IkyduqPy+E2xwwZBsrVd/wuHaHAGPOT2QAu6gp1Q3k2+a3OW75YZxbifzOTwhpI6J+mv 7eIBY5D6N3Rk0VQwctmaxZ045k033eQXWAIUrhSXo3SvgHLdcHGeft3XFKAwb924cfJZ BY0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533lD7IwCKU2+OV87S2FuX9OSnjAN10EZT+k8+z2F/CBF+cf7OE7 I5xrhQK7daE4Z7TwrlqObSLCSAF7SiYqc22XIUXisgkiOrl/3Y8ekxs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJzIAZ/fXzaaPKm1HykdoUQskR/bSl7OMQD6Ynct5s8EuzfSb1BZe3oHpTdRt+pkgymLXUW5Hu3MnRU7yimhQ= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:46fb:: with SMTP id q27mr4414364lfo.466.1628925948424; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 00:25:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83eeawbijk.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12e; envelope-from=hongyi.zhao@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x12e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:132534 Archived-At: On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:19 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Hongyi Zhao > > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 14:29:38 +0800 > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs > > > > > The low-level infrastructure of the Lisp machine > > > > IMO, by saying ``Lisp machine'', it always means the operating system > > is written in lisp, but this is obviously not the case of Emacs. > > No, I meant the Lisp machine that is part of Emacs core. IOW, the > Emacs Lisp interpreter and bytecode-running code. Can these components be called a ``Lisp machine''? I mean, if without the OS it runs on, it can also be called a ``machine''? Hongyi