From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tom Davey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: When do you prefer frames instead of windows? Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:51:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141125152138825891831@bob.proulx.com> <3ca07d37-3cd2-4817-a66b-b31be6fca1a1@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417182714 26296 80.91.229.3 (28 Nov 2014 13:51:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 13:51:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 28 14:51:49 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XuLxa-0003l7-UB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 14:51:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44420 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XuLxa-00010a-Iu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:51:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XuLxK-0000zQ-BR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:51:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XuLxJ-0004QS-16 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:51:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]:60531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XuLxI-0004QH-LT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:51:28 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ex7so11315545wid.0 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:51:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QmNOylD3LwVCdzmrAdper+2WLXhxRXZX5BXr6bEt8SU=; b=By59cxoAv9wY0vMW/iT7aoRKGqepy/7hzrkLvTMlizgid4H+bbxcrnCcAVQRp/JVm7 H+hhpB2MakR5xBdkf5a6Lph/ym+xrDHsv2o3tFftf9QsiUbNpecw0N0b46hPJQIsSnSF 54IQ74H0ZX5+SJIN6FuKBXOUA4kidGNRIlxDjZsDBlbpgZKcLwreApSc5x28c3gg2t1U 5SNoQ1VCRxiWKZzoDZSJ7Jr2rUS7KrvUBk6VTOYv6sXcZbng2HonhqH7LT8gFQa+u+jg R0Co6NPOeZURWHvuS7B9EYsKskZuKSv+V9ZO6dE/l5JeM14VMpREtr5Q2T+FvaKba0B1 fESA== X-Received: by 10.180.73.143 with SMTP id l15mr60254629wiv.24.1417182687537; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:51:27 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.216.91.131 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2014 05:51:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101266 Archived-At: Alan Schmitt writes: > So I use a single emacs frame in full screen > mode, and workgroups2 to manage several groups of windows This. Workgroups is an outstanding extension. It seems to me that, for all the presumed uses of frames for managing multiple groups of windows, workgroups can do it better, providing out of the box most of what this thread is seeking from frames. On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Alan Schmitt < alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> wrote: > On 2014-11-25 14:54, Drew Adams writes: > > > But the main obstacle, IMO, is that few people use frames a lot, > > and with fewer users there is not the necessary consideration > > of cross-functional behavior (e.g. how this or that feature > > plays well with frames). > > The main reason why I don't use frames is because the window manager on > OS X lacks too many features (in particular regarding multiple desktops > and keyboard navigation). So I use a single emacs frame in full screen > mode, and workgroups2 to manage several groups of windows (this is quite > useful for modes that enjoy destroying carefully arranged windows, yes > gnus I'm looking at you). > > I was using multiple (full screen) frames instead of workgroups at some > point, but I stopped because ERC notifications would not be aware of the > frame being visible or not, so I would get no notification at all. Also, > the possibility of restoring frames using desktop.el was not available > then (I think it's new in emacs 24.4). > > Alan > > -- > OpenPGP Key ID : 040D0A3B4ED2E5C7 > -- -- Tom Davey tom@tomdavey.com New York NY USA