From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thibaut Verron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs i18n Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:28:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874kctcb97.fsf@cock.li> <837dhp3uqg.fsf@gnu.org> <2114291.0jFjTtfV1S@galex-713.eu> <875yx8bquz.fsf@zoho.eu> <87lf633wc3.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9675"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 19 07:28:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Lpk-0002EQ-5O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:28:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43868 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Lpj-00036S-4I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 01:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5LpN-00036K-KN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 01:28:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b]:44693) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5LpM-0002VS-0F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 01:28:29 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com with SMTP id g19so25893178ybe.11 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MXLhdp1R5yHKmas0bkOunfeZ5+uAZBIPilvmzhfFuGw=; b=lVHhFN7oqG4SmNLKTQ9ewdhnAa+HBW6/UGxadgABH/F9r9XSOZgNPodVpYd0gC+L2o au+J1NkkFraTolrPQDuk+m8h3kUW84eISVebNefJx1U6HGdd7Zfi3wzMxZd2mDVNh7O4 92rGsbqj8QJF9tArHmNV1imV1eksvJYqSJEZvDBbU7rh/1SvZHG8xjL6mgiTkIqOxBls +nPuxX4vlFxUDCWrHU2emCrzwxvDrZevAh3at6VGZbHmBP9zTS8su0tkl9rFAeLZAfsY MTTnVBwQywV9AWXCz5NT0i4wCpDibjuLmO7lDjvWM7ZqDzWZfraWz5UtGUXPkDG/zmfu Zodw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MXLhdp1R5yHKmas0bkOunfeZ5+uAZBIPilvmzhfFuGw=; b=aZQpLFuY3Ckv8oA5UBEcVXcsKKOmRhcS2g/khhBOOXWnckOVfj+47ORm8b+F01kIbm SVTivu1yInbMc+IcLmeeE3w1ysYYlZEFY7CXz06tex3rGqdCS3sVzuh/CxJzh0zuk174 lwOBmVlG4SmpK9qXBNSv6nzsP4kf0Ngs0Oxh0Als4Eu8ikdMKusIi3R68/ZUokObDlp8 0/ylUmaTv/aJyU8dta7QjptSZMsFhZbYpx8R5yXJZhjKHdWaeF6A7HCOfHpGpQ8Ch9o/ K7f153wTwTd0ocLOanqpoHBQxC0+OP+xEGDr9kmbvvGK5q6oMCQGkiYQl6WeWpTbM8Eu DaXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Lg6lp+kf4r6IxN/DdZpAcysTN9E6ULQiA5Pzv2CbFW/iJ8xeP EodbTV0LxPgjT15ZVR+rsH8Nw3INwkTXdAarzxo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxwoYpI6sIdgIcAD1J7jw9il5upPgSfkhnulzcOA8zJ+u62xMvRwaa1K26iL/xXjVsdXStYDT1FHP1Nw29SQTE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:a4a5:: with SMTP id g34mr28740033ybi.473.1626672506498; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 22:28:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lf633wc3.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2b; envelope-from=thibaut.verron@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131853 Archived-At: Le lun. 19 juil. 2021 =C3=A0 04:00, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor a =C3=A9crit : > > Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > > > Doing the UI only is not useful. The UI and the help would > > be tremendously useful. > > Anglo-American beat French to world dominance, accept it. > It happened everywhere, including diplomacy, Don't diplomats have interprets? > but in particular > it happened in the world of computers. Where we happen to be > right now. There is no miniature world of computers where > everyone speaks French or any other language who badly needs > translations, drop it. You've clearly never been to France. :) More seriously, a lot of people in China and Japan, including in the software industry, do not speak English. Translations would be very useful for them. And all over the world, a lot of students who do not feel confident with English treat the lack of available translations as a significant hurdle, or even a barrier. That's true for a lot of things, from scientific literature to, yes, software documentation. Your replies in this thread strike me as unusually hostile. Why is it such a big problem that some want to translate the emacs help and manual?