From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alan E. Davis" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:19:52 -0700 Message-ID: References: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> <20180518153157.GA18154@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526660333 32081 195.159.176.226 (18 May 2018 16:18:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 16:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 18 18:18:49 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJi5g-0008At-I3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 18:18:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39869 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJi7n-0004GV-Bm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 12:20:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50199) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJi7A-0004El-QH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 12:20:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJi78-0002lr-O3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 12:20:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb0-x234.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c09::234]:46535) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJi78-0002jl-Ha for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 12:20:18 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb0-x234.google.com with SMTP id f3-v6so2875774ybg.13 for ; Fri, 18 May 2018 09:20:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GnIBqm/Es/T7pwl0Y+l+aRRmCv9G3yqy4Rq61TgoWH8=; b=eRDbALd3K5vCGZ7X97ZkkeEdd1K5v7bFc1OZYHlNWPaNtoxm/FeRDwrtM9mLyyu8xG jQGFfiRQHe/2Bp203EXbeYBNEzPdK5gurmTkiKzjyLhRRecn/Ry0DY8T7XbJOOR9k/bE ewgPlT2a4w+R/f9ow/QsJ6yXeLq/Jt6tNS0F3OdOwn1jQRPf1iDoFQgZsyoW4gEe6+tj 04vyNI/ApiUrjX0UueAsKOBKfxrYXOu27Bt8lnDenTQD9/BLkeSqUUv6h7e7IaPuSMFQ 0EzGgKuaKedt/owWn3ISWTAwJVz8RBFt8V9d4QLuf8fD2F92Lm+3JdBrgNKxb348ZNNF 9QKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GnIBqm/Es/T7pwl0Y+l+aRRmCv9G3yqy4Rq61TgoWH8=; b=Qy+/luGR6tGluozpWkLL3/WshDcx8s+mWeRLYAZwLZuzxhSG+qpJ2AZ0014Yw71eIk PoWeFDHDdFn6hVa6mdv9mowFKotSNDIbH7wkE0zhBH7QqVwbOCSA8oK/g1TVoycu03e/ oPttFfEDcCdDIm/LSFkiThPE/01YTqkI5hwgITH85OAtJM9vWyDEa7VtGz+6T5JPGJlz //b2A94StAYieUtHVFArZwgcHPBnPLIQpP3mGPqsHtuga0fB31b1lEtvSzMUdwk6LErT iYUkrJp2e3+K+613tNVYVrOS5gYGhhDPYZ+zJXVTRDw6bYayQRv7wiNcNep0fy17RiNq 4eog== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwfFkiU2sM0Mv8VEaRScbMZBeNriluh1rmIefGGZFHBVwVFm3wea DO+C+XhOmsfi2VzhCZ6U3lkw2rqN3QNKS33ll/g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpLdsLvhRka2sfZ4m73617h1lnHn4wD7TI5Xg5UjFr+udRZ94n4npOXLz550mgBAgmqTEQce2JG15jwQCq7GeU= X-Received: by 2002:a25:b3cc:: with SMTP id x12-v6mr5577637ybf.181.1526660417433; Fri, 18 May 2018 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.100.241.70 with HTTP; Fri, 18 May 2018 09:19:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180518153157.GA18154@tuxteam.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c09::234 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116769 Archived-At: I worked as a teacher in a school in a third world context, where the district was severely underfunded. I held out as much as I could. I had to use proprietary systems, eventually, to report attendance and grades, so I installed Virtual Box. It was a long and hard battle: printer drivers were not up to snuff; networking was difficult compared to the M$ approach. Back in the day---I started using GNU/Linux in the pre-1.0 kernel days---many things did not work smoothly, but the Linux Documentation Project was a breath of fresh air, and a beam of light enlightened the scene. (As an aside, I note with misgivings that the LDP is not well maintained---but I am partially responsible for this, because I didn't work on documentation as perhaps I ought to have. Then again, the state of the "Linux Desktop" is such that other supports are available and many of the hands on configuration and administration tasks are either automatic or much simpler and more intuitive.). I would suggest, in your context, that you do not have to abandon free software, nor, I sense, are you advised to refuse to use the infrastructure that has been given. I use emacs for much, I really like org-mode a lot and even thought I am not able to take advantage of many of the more sophisticated tools of org-mode. You may find, like many before you, that the tools of free and open source software many streamline your workflow, and give you an edge, even while you are using the ordained tools for your specific disciplinary work. When people see that the free and open tools work for you, gradually you may make inroads, and not at the expense of your career. I believe this approach has been behind much of the achieved success of Free and Open Source software and operating systems. I am rooting for you. Alan Davis On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 8:31 AM, wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 08:50:32AM -0500, Kevin Buchs wrote: > > As a student, you simply need to go along with your supervisor's > > recommendations. You are not in a position to dictate the terms. > > Nobody talks about dictating anything. Some supervisors are more > enlightened than other, so trying to talk to them doesn't seem > wrong. > > > Using the > > proprietary tools will not hurt you, unless you need to buy your own. > > With that I disagree strongly: free is not primarily about price > (more so in the OP's case, as he stated clearly). Reducing "free" > to price totally misses the point, IMO. > > [...] > > > So, you need to adjust your attitude. It may be that you are presenting > the > > issue of principles - I prefer free, you prefer proprietary, but that i= s > > not really the true issue. Maybe you don't know the proprietary tools a= nd > > don't want to learn them or feel you can't learn them. Choice of tools > you > > use is no reason to switch graduate programs. > > This whole paragraph comes across as somewhat... condescending. > > > This is entirely a matter of getting along with other people, not being > > selfish, etc. These are life skills we are talking about. > > Definitely. And part of this getting along is trying to negotiate > what matters to oneself and to others. I do agree that an intransigent > attitude isn't helpful, but Edgar didn't show something like that. > > Fostering free software is exactly about "not being selfish". > > Cheers > - -- tom=C3=A1s > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAlr+8e0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kax+wCfbKhTlIUw6n2SL106P2GgS4qa > SWYAnjKwfLqGw5KnPqBCPPb1GHutiLfQ > =3DszdJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=20 [Fill in the blanks] The use of corrupt manipulations and blatant rhetorical ploys ...--- outright lying, flagwaving, personal attacks, setting up phony alternatives, misdirection, jargon-mongering, evading key issues, feigning disinterested objectivity, willful misunderstanding of other points of view---suggests that ... lacks both credibility and evidence. ---- Edward Tufte (in context of making presentations)