From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Ochs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Workshop to save M$ Windows users - help needed Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 07:19:16 -0300 Message-ID: References: <837deua1sd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38078"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 03 12:21:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWycF-0009fY-UF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 12:21:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51516 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWycD-000648-Rz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 06:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWyah-000640-B0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 06:19:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-x52a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a]:34559) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWyaf-0006ZS-RG; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 06:19:31 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-x52a.google.com with SMTP id 133so13810188pgb.1; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 03:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jcBWNpTOrK2ZEuufBqy0RXl7FmLBbbTBX/K2SwcCGQ4=; b=HolzM4t82fNEwUT9aWbBADKJngktP10pOtSnFk4PYQJR7MHjEk1fwPRb3mvaQYaapB uiAJ76c0W8Vl10JV+EE9V85CI/CWZcznC+X9VU+26X2RzmUznEzvqkaEyn8mGwX2+2h5 d3w0LQLsJsIsc4ReB0wKobhBu/oaWABAzvqNuQbtczj4wUnAANuPV9a4qGyZc+GBtjAb ATcuvOoGLgoqQUWZrpUf+bqG6jA1zwrqph/aWDAed5mu8++RastyZUNrfNJ87ZtQr3lC FIrzPQLynsk7RwjvGLzBAY/NSG2pafJreqRoFZCkisHVx5rO1REw1bN+TAsddgqRZzw7 LdVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jcBWNpTOrK2ZEuufBqy0RXl7FmLBbbTBX/K2SwcCGQ4=; b=Xt6TG4/f9ZcZOVdKW2+uegcMfUu5WAQbnl36ssvabxtWsebcJtP+1oDVeBplJVjliN tu8q/ni7ZVUjSZY1iKNdxQloHcq7qtj0UD/SIcv06hWRXp4APTYLNr8wlvagIuq3FVrz XJaKi+cFviXbWa2bZCVKtieF4sfiO4JrgxAW9nOF0j0s9Irb1f60veBC3Hxn/iF9h/P4 xaCeIfZEMeMdb821nbLXY+yYV2lIMFKRInB9dFxejoPAERZ6kkJ5tpHuxhfEFk49EFEP UIZ+g7544GNek9bE+hXffMy482m3q0mvm0colYdaOH6jnox8kaH85bc7av049WEs5bVj ITJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337GmQrWputHtoRqKzu+nS4e1Rms2P8PLCgdEwTT6JRRNO4RtP3 3bGc9RebUFqvW3C/CDnbKcqeJ+JPjuwESey3L2H342EusZM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzhOoIu2Y2EagM3NiSEV37XCAdO7zeWORMjJ2YhIcXd9SZ9zTrpdOF5xS7NYCjjIxsm81sKC6RwKjNpUxZUHGI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:9c:b0:448:603f:720b with SMTP id c28-20020a056a00009c00b00448603f720bmr19474062pfj.66.1633256367284; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 03:19:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <837deua1sd.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a; envelope-from=eduardoochs@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x52a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133520 Archived-At: On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 06:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I don't understand why you need to tell them to install Bash. > Installing Bash means installing MSYS2, which comes with lots of > ballast most people won't need. In addition, Bash is a totally alien > beast for your audience, even if they are familiar with the Windows' > own shell, either cmd.exe or PowerShell. You are raising the bar very > highly without any justification. > > If your main goal is to teach them Emacs as the platform to do these > small jobs, my suggestion is to use Eshell. Even that is already > problematic, because for some jobs they will have to install ports of > GNU tools: Grep, Diff, etc. But at least they could limit themselves > to installing a small number of relatively small packages, and won't > need to deal with the mess of MSYS2 executables vs native Windows > (a.k.a. MinGW64) executables, and won't need Bash. Ok, let's forget bash, then! Eshell should be enough. What is a good way for installing wget and a program from unzipping/untgzipping files? Which un(tg)zipper do you recommend? I remember vaguely using something called 7z ages ago... Also, what is a good way to make sure that these programs are in the PATH? If each student can send me their original PATH and the full paths to these programs I can produce a sexp like this for each one... (setenv "PATH" (concat "/path/to/wget:" "/path/to/7z:" "/home/edrx/bin:/home/edrx/.elan/bin:/home/edrx/.local/bin:/home/edrx/.= cabal/bin:/home/edrx/.ghcup/bin:/usr/local/texlive/2021/bin/x86_64-linux:/h= ome/edrx/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:.:/ho= me/edrx/EXPECT:/home/edrx/TCL:/home/edrx/pkg/bin") ) Thanks in advance =3D), E.