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From: Eduardo Ochs <eduardoochs@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Workshop to save M$ Windows users - help needed
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 07:19:16 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADs++6gy9bSQt2+GUQi-E9enUT0g3ud+L+U736d32CK1Lc7PNQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837deua1sd.fsf@gnu.org>

On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 06:38, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> I don't understand why you need to tell them to install Bash.
> Installing Bash means installing MSYS2, which comes with lots of
> ballast most people won't need.  In addition, Bash is a totally alien
> beast for your audience, even if they are familiar with the Windows'
> own shell, either cmd.exe or PowerShell.  You are raising the bar very
> highly without any justification.
>
> If your main goal is to teach them Emacs as the platform to do these
> small jobs, my suggestion is to use Eshell.  Even that is already
> problematic, because for some jobs they will have to install ports of
> GNU tools: Grep, Diff, etc.  But at least they could limit themselves
> to installing a small number of relatively small packages, and won't
> need to deal with the mess of MSYS2 executables vs native Windows
> (a.k.a. MinGW64) executables, and won't need Bash.

Ok, let's forget bash, then!
Eshell should be enough.

What is a good way for installing wget and a program from
unzipping/untgzipping files? Which un(tg)zipper do you recommend? I
remember vaguely using something called 7z ages ago...

Also, what is a good way to make sure that these programs are in the
PATH? If each student can send me their original PATH and the full
paths to these programs I can produce a sexp like this for each one...

  (setenv "PATH"
   (concat
    "/path/to/wget:"
    "/path/to/7z:"
    "/home/edrx/bin:/home/edrx/.elan/bin:/home/edrx/.local/bin:/home/edrx/.cabal/bin:/home/edrx/.ghcup/bin:/usr/local/texlive/2021/bin/x86_64-linux:/home/edrx/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:.:/home/edrx/EXPECT:/home/edrx/TCL:/home/edrx/pkg/bin")
   )

  Thanks in advance =),
    E.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-03 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-03  4:26 Workshop to save M$ Windows users - help needed Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-03  5:45 ` Jean Louis
2021-10-03  7:59   ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-03  9:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-03 10:19   ` Eduardo Ochs [this message]
2021-10-03 10:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-03 19:15       ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-03 19:44         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-10-04  3:06           ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-04 17:34             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-10-04 18:29               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-10-06  4:50                 ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-06  5:10                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-06 12:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 16:32                 ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-07 17:52                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-10-04 18:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06  4:19           ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-10-03  9:36 ` Tomas Hlavaty

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