From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Ochs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why eev has a weird elisp tutorial and how to use it Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 00:56:54 -0300 Message-ID: References: <8735l8poar.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22737"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emanuel Berg , help-gnu-emacs Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 28 05:23:03 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nDImt-0005nc-9A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2022 05:23:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59612 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nDIms-0002mz-7A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 23:23:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nDINp-0007P7-Rw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 22:57:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029] (port=56294 helo=mail-pj1-x1029.google.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nDINn-000452-Sl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 22:57:09 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x1029.google.com with SMTP id d5so5308190pjk.5 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:57:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wVjrlPxEJuyK+dPV5K/QtH5psRke6UlcA9/URE7z25w=; b=cgo5RNWcePEKgAcq6iNjoKIb4MQrq6xUJCS4AkpsGryn1ENfmbiaopkKRH1CfQtRRe B4o/FsJzlY8s7LM88HOMS3F9Imqi+3NGmqoPb/d2TpDVn7CHcweZuzpzaJ/5BkAes4E5 9jLRymYeklljx92k6G3Tx2s4LqSkAM5+OO091nh7NVDD8tWiLhGJmUxiS7tw8r/ORGoY wxQONA1xf2PETfqXTj5T4xg0VrMTXjk6p2mApPd4dQBQYRV6F2uaBx3GljIc5K5bSKjD HFwfSZxPSr9ID7RV3xpVpwSwP+EZvTIIwttjjzntUcyWKHB/ESG4OwEOpueWEvTM5rTP LwTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=wVjrlPxEJuyK+dPV5K/QtH5psRke6UlcA9/URE7z25w=; b=lduNOdz3J03Wi7rXiU541B1OIJtiAtSNF4Tgo8ORrfeEpHfdRFOc8GEp+e882o0fjR /z9c4VG8NcDAVvrorqbN6hs3EE6zADzKj7BZQgPCSFN5FJR+YgucadLc7BMPtrjtdTS2 83hgzwmwoxYpuKw/QaVcCr6IrYIb64/Ss9yEBiOi2LjCP95l1RTRfPnMfDl2zAiC9JMg 5u0vJQI97NK1qLcRrKiLGWUaPSKnjjJ0l+S9pdyCLbxCCBHII/tIcTjVXvn3ZPWw6X6r Gw78n6Xag9BhQWbqvOzH7IKdV9phs7Ze4VzfggjDoXzyXdhuOIifIDNumJDfB8gzOncf XQCA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306wu75hHteKKivjkuCN4gvxO0j95Iz9iTOMe8CK5Qc4IcOCcQY kvLfkD+2Nw5jKpZ3oed7QzTO+cYh008INvucv0A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz8IWb0Qx9A6paWE+3ai29J3DQiCUBERV2sbZpAsgDuDF7b4N+sEgicbGodqDNe5PHbfM+ecjYBwhhLGv7ZvSM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:4052:: with SMTP id n18mr6565621pla.88.1643342225969; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:57:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8735l8poar.fsf@zoho.eu> X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1029; envelope-from=eduardoochs@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-x1029.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:135582 Archived-At: On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 23:50, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor wrote: > > And this video is - hopefully - a first step to make my > tutorial less mysterious. So: that's it. That's what > i wanted to show. Bye! =) [1] > > Yeah, that was a verbose and informal intro from a personal > POV if there ever was one - and except for the thing I already > mentioned, that people should learn to read code first, where > I disagree 100%, from my POV but also in general - but except > for that, all's cool obviously, but ... > > Where is the actual Elisp intro? :O > > Hi! In the video I refer to the intro in several places as "find-elisp-intro", and people who have played with the main eev tutorial a bit usually quickly become familiar with three ways of going to an "intro"... in the case of find-elisp-intro the three ways are: 1) running M-x find-elisp-intro 2) eval-ing a sexp like this: (find-elisp-intro) 3) in most pages in http://angg.twu.net/ when a sexp like (find-elisp-intro) appears, its middle part - the "find-elisp-intro" - becomes a link that points to an htmlized version of that intro, that is here: http://angg.twu.net/eev-intros/find-elisp-intro.html One of the first things in this page http://angg.twu.net/find-elisp-intro.html is a "(find-elisp-intro)" that has a link to the htmlized version of the intro. This part of the video explains that if you have eev installed it's easy to create elisp hyperlinks to sections of that tutorial: 8:23 One important thing is that people can create hyperlinks to the sections of the of my elisp tutorial very easily. 8:35 For example, suppose that you're one of the students in my workshop, you are starting to learn Emacs today today, and you learned the basic ideas of how to create elisp hyperlinks 8:56 and you think that there's something interesting in this section here - section 5. 9:02 So you can create a link to it by hand. For example you can simply type this (find-elisp-intro "...") - initially by hand; later you can learn the tricks for generating this automatically - 9:22 and you can copy the title to this position here. Now you have something that if you execute... if you execute this you go exactly to this section here. It starts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WowDSciGs1A&t=8m23s Cheers, Eduardo Ochs http://angg.twu.net/#eev