From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 08:07:17 -1000 Message-ID: References: <3670f5d10c3f80646994f515711f0a30@openmail.cc> <20180521122656.a231c79b16176761ea782c32@speakeasy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526925971 5368 195.159.176.226 (21 May 2018 18:06:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 18:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 21 20:06:06 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKpCA-0001Eh-6v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 20:06:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51841 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKpEF-00053G-Dm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:08:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKpDg-00051t-R7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:07:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKpDf-0005Fz-VM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:07:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c09::233]:47090) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKpDf-0005FP-OI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:07:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb0-x233.google.com with SMTP id p22-v6so2050937yba.13 for ; Mon, 21 May 2018 11:07:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xFkTZ0DzOJnufX4+l3DfNZNFzl6OcvwmXzbSDyLSFK4=; b=EpVyKBB0ny6PUlLLjcxUGQ6WLGZ20NxZysYnA3fSCL8PJjsD23A4YDBv0XX3N2dKLC 4VY09l+R6YJLCdIgDuiSPOKDI0t16SsnsehatOkrl7BEjV2bgVhWgLG5bngiYal5ifPn 6uyvmtJMWhyT/yFlBZWn27mXmZb/eq1WjBztelBNSj6w9fqjnZEnvoTCSp4xOSXe6snW 1+sV7RZ4Qw8Ne4RUzLiY7wW+PewASPuz1m95eWEAE8or5+Tmdxtd9h/3vuI5ZhTtUOYE R9qzsIkUnX6t+NP8zUOGjkZ9VuMWJFktipS1E7sci5IAGvITJC1GafupFcNyz/wgFmN1 IWRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xFkTZ0DzOJnufX4+l3DfNZNFzl6OcvwmXzbSDyLSFK4=; b=J4DvbaZXfNz989Qmnawtg2yQzk1n9kUjh6KvAoWK6HqzVOeYpHNp02U3alzSZ3Bbwm A3fG64IYjeg2IpgmMkZeJN0lsx6POfLtq3hqWJe8wM6AvUkIO2v7nKILiVdnwom/x//Y pKu85Hx88enDgwilXDq45cE41Gnyuw4/vtSO5mUC0Tp+3THk9Tn4FcQR26BJAA8iZkMO 2QKgss0DodeutRUUVeDlOn0X+yCtkT8D+ElG6yD0lW7GnuB63MQMZLRU6fp7oMPAKBkk RgvC9j4vW8ld7PcHMwbadj3SDODJHq74KkRgTeKM06K4vxw6beg7QMUUbKlaoPelxDZo Nbkg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwfUvdctIvsiFc08j9U/DkNWOZMJd9AKnvmnu7MOUzPRFA6FoQ7u dJnjBLiTfVAjHxt5WffCOFNsevo6AqaFMyEZuXADJw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZq3DbWH6vd2tJtXQqBykix/PSTN8dJyu3Qyfpxnnl0GbTQmpebHSWtnjY+xgzuRW5gAL8cslxvEz40NcjUdS9I= X-Received: by 2002:a25:5ec2:: with SMTP id s185-v6mr3761204ybb.22.1526926057420; Mon, 21 May 2018 11:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a25:9102:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2018 11:07:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180521122656.a231c79b16176761ea782c32@speakeasy.net> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c09::233 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116796 Archived-At: It's tempting to fall back on the clich=C3=A9ed idea that one goes from idealism to cynicism as one ages. But one does acquire some practical knowledge, and learning when to compromise and when not to compromise is one example. As I said far above in this thread and a few others have echoed, we need to pick our battles. Some battles aren't worth it, while others are mandatory. And that line varies as much by individual as it does by battle domain. I mentioned that I worked in one environment that was completely locked down with absolutely zero deviation permitted. That made work very much more difficult, especially as it was just about pure Microsoft. But the job was good; it was worth doing, it paid well enough, it was challenging, and it wasn't something I would quit just so I could go somewhere else that embraced FOSS. That was more of a business decision than a moral one; I'm not RMS and while FOSS is important to me, it's not a hill to die on. Your own mileage may vary, and that's fine. If, on the other hand, the job required me to go out and kill all people of a certain race or religion, it would be an entirely different matter and no amount of pay or benefits would get me to do that. It's a deliberately ridiculous example made to illustrate the point that the "line" lies somewhere in-between. For most people it will be somewhere above pure idealism and somewhere below stark cynicism. Real life is filled with compromises; indeed, society wouldn't get on without some of them. So we have to make choices, and we need to make them with our eyes open. Wow, we are SO off topic!