From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [O] General advice beyond Org Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:44:39 -1000 Message-ID: References: <7dc580d0ea76c21328dc586ffadb5499@openmail.cc> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526611408 2476 195.159.176.226 (18 May 2018 02:43:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 02:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 18 04:43:24 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fJVMW-0000Se-Ue for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 May 2018 04:43:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36375 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJVOc-00041y-DN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 22:45:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37969) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJVO9-00041Q-TC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 22:45:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJVO9-0008OW-48 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 22:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22f]:36697) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fJVO8-0008Nq-S5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 May 2018 22:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yw0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id v68-v6so1420157ywd.3 for ; Thu, 17 May 2018 19:45:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=L9ai0uT4M4s1J3YYdqQ7pGC7pjcX7b/Xv30fHjkCZ4Q=; b=BE05KMB1oFpft3Sh21shWvTzAKgGaZW1fD7nfkwJ4VofvZ5kOPHtnEMOqSxBJPfeU/ ++ceRI3cO+cSGfY2ncJdGA6S7ULVjdoVTknjNFH4BfZRcAN5N+Ln1NDDuET4fyMnekEg az/sO5yhztUge23UHJjMIgYzNOtVkC5m+QRVk/WNO7Uw2xFEo3bH8qrebJxaZ4T4vbSx 7DPDvpciO2yl/58Ze+/RrCKjuJImYwwCJ4GzbUNf/Q5ij7/Wvx0do/7mF5T4jSScfxcx Bl8H6k/jGcJycR+CdUre+QXq3OoYwo7KL01r5cMRAug3t4wFYH5bOk7yPgLBIySkAjeE Xj1A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=L9ai0uT4M4s1J3YYdqQ7pGC7pjcX7b/Xv30fHjkCZ4Q=; b=cvEj+5SBxOQfn9PLKwx6OI8cVgKN4ruGt1kpwCIRPktwWL9884F0vHda+iQmV9cejB 2+yg2vDP4Ugd3veWGi/IuFyCIqWK5mof0JVpMtiwqU75lQyAm1NpPByBQ9SVATa0VcuI nI4mQ0gpX2trxVoA3kXavhtGEw8QcUppf7AbUdx8TkDQp2GpMgq63g8k6qsrXOvDO61h QRWhM8roPagLEL6Q6qHWCoX8ODzY1BKE8+zl1Df2Ol7+QdrYNZcD0AbsiD6J/ociioS5 1hagRh9C6ijWKYEx0s6W3tDgTfBv6M1pWpDtBsi9DzrNCl8L3i5VNmMktAvV4eL9tgzN dA/g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwcd8HnyMVXIV5cbpgFksfcgQDT4TB2xsqpjHS+PRYAbNTQ6lRJq nmlzAVV87BfvL+gc5VA92VcP7Qm3wWQebjrj6eFPzQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqIXXigqNHSDCYY1xsvR6dUlI2wqiilrwJBqU2WLiOr1r/Qvi878jZJv81X6ZDxAFs9GvkjDtEw5SnhLLtW9oU= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:cd41:: with SMTP id p62-v6mr3879466ywd.440.1526611499587; Thu, 17 May 2018 19:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a25:9102:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2018 19:44:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22f X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116753 Archived-At: Aloha, Sometimes you need to pick your battles. In a place I once worked at, there were two environments. One was extremely restrictive and you were only allowed to use specific products ... so I had to use abominations like Word and Outlook. (In the other environment, I could do as I wished.) It was otherwise a good job, and I liked it, so I put up with the rules. It was neither a battle I could win nor a battle worth fighting. Was it harder to work without Emacs and the many tools that made me more productive? Yes. But again, that came with the territory, and I didn't think it was worth quitting over. In your case, in grad school, I of course don't know your environment, or what proprietary tools you're being told to use vs. what FOSS tools might be available. Certainly things like Scilab, Sage Math, R, etc. will do a lot, but your needs may be much greater. If your evaluation (and you need to do a careful evaluation of the merits and demerits of both your approach and her approach) is that it's better to go with what your adviser asks, then you should do so. No, I wouldn't like it either. But I don't think (unlike RMS, perhaps) that there are show-stopping moral or ethical issues here. If your evaluation truly tells you that your way is best, then you need to come up with a plan of action, with alternatives. I'd suggest that a good enough evaluation could possibly sway your adviser. Best of luck to you.