From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 06:58:08 -1000 Message-ID: References: <5869d0fb59fb1052eca11f2cde706ebd@openmail.cc> <87vabgg481.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <20180522071050.GA26414@tuxteam.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527008214 22186 195.159.176.226 (22 May 2018 16:56:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 22 18:56:50 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLAag-0005gF-2g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 18:56:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56895 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLAcn-0002X5-8h for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 12:59:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54923) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLAcJ-0002Wm-EC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 12:58:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLAcI-0002nZ-J7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 12:58:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22b]:44645) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLAcI-0002nM-BT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 May 2018 12:58:30 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id s8-v6so5330523ybp.11 for ; Tue, 22 May 2018 09:58:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:cc; bh=x3R5SP9qVLTktIU8FliPoIg92LDa36DE3jUVeOvw1+E=; b=HxqCykXhH5rC1R+Nll8olAkEfd0XU2VgMOw1bQMWesh8sJk3SDilwtqiHYMskBqxhS 96wuHo91Y2h9Yf+DerHhXbyEHh9UODBc81HIwI65ZXHh/22rYfhkE4ABHAmKyW1sIt0s lk8a6ueamVxUzqKzYWCbp+8Jd8O7GthGd2b/tFYicCN9OJZ/SL8H3hkJAr2EFJIBpkki Ppnkd0zGVi/chCLFDPG9on4fblby5Hp9+QDB+CV4OAFzMO+s7PQOIOddAqKUaFHywkQC TgI/E6qJCxueJnicOV2VhM0m6T3/ZUUkOG55QIWFteoEXYWfAbda8bBb+T6VbP0lfg7w Pl7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:cc; bh=x3R5SP9qVLTktIU8FliPoIg92LDa36DE3jUVeOvw1+E=; b=G3pJg+5rb1A12bh/eSl1/ZeK8dDDzXF4GFq1k+Mv5hdNnSur4mqxEZmxfanXDsW4GI vXUGLIwCiOg5OBVY+rK0sKGZp1S3ih5g5842UxpfTwQiedMuHdJrfP/RTEBT7kRgzULG UdtbAsjnNYe9+JEa5wuCjLvDl0trMWtc9Wy6GarrRTlHFn1SU/Fcd/JYkjhERCBEynCW LmEgX5B/0YO5j/kX+A9ApID7yVMkNqozLy5KVDRDiARGpnnrgu/WzCLA6P6zsWbJIjVE EBQ7dtUMwTrqSdE5/2tghqeNw6wk9Lp2LGw3SR1rAb0e511IIdNoaITx7jXgw4F2mNjm 4gYg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwe3gGbq353NEGudUls4o5jYfIV6IGxpNVvDuVsvoRzzY2z5AOww klEn6AkeKc0lFNa9XDbc1rdhE3/nYEdfM3h9Pp/dwQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZqSnQfNg6dCCv+HoHle6tOpJqd8fHjFxJ5sZamNw5XaiOKSkHCU/WxL/WG/MauojLczgYaZo2bD5G7tLabal54= X-Received: by 2002:a25:84c4:: with SMTP id x4-v6mr14416630ybm.499.1527008309308; Tue, 22 May 2018 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 2002:a25:9102:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2018 09:58:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180522071050.GA26414@tuxteam.de> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c09::22b X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116810 Archived-At: On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:10 PM, wrote: > That doesn't mean to give up on one's position, nor to give up on > convincing the "other" -- but it includes (and that's the painful > part :-) accepting the possibility to be convinced by the "other". And in fact there is another possibility: that you may /both/ be right in your own individual ways; there may in fact not be a single objective "right" way. Much as it pains me to say a Microsoft user could be right--- it may be the best way for some people and some tasks. Now, we get into the question of someone /imposing/ their "right" answer on someone else who has a different "right" answer ... and all the questions in the long thread above return. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i Sent via Linux Mint 17.