From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Newell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: editing a PDF [Re: emacs 30.5.0 editing epub] Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2023 13:00:53 -1000 Message-ID: References: <877cvhqo9p.fsf@web.de> <4a7a0baf-677b-118c-fa6c-e50d054800e7@posteo.de> <87o7osp4ck.fsf@web.de> <704a63ef-c56d-f892-1e3f-9ee0f884b038@mousecar.com> <87y1nsmgwz.fsf@web.de> <0e6c9b8a-b70f-d244-c031-68c0c58dca86@mousecar.com> <87v8iur4lp.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87sfdwr5b2.nntm@hhbnwe.viijngy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15026"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 24 00:02:04 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pfTwa-0003R4-H0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2023 00:02:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfTvu-0004Vs-PG; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 19:01:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfTvt-0004Vj-9H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 19:01:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pfTvp-0004OH-Gh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 19:01:21 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id l27so85812wrb.2 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bobnewell-net.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; t=1679612469; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tVKXmijH0irW2XtAxk0Sl8z6XPHsbfImH9n1UHZwkx8=; b=qTHN/Co9KADSrYgSWMbCPlMptijqmW5Nqn6wJiTy+dZVQ7pBTsjoRFqr6mtsqY7wdR tGytdra7wOJbfXgA5IXbL3iTr1WPnBaGSt9oopYqHM5pZn1/eZ4f2NDELfl+3Q9f/j+N PEGP2fxqiQZmk+3H4y2jkfwkavkf8Kx/0a76JNBaL+Cq2r6F6JFrWdITJAVCTCg0pubs Wk+znmXNFeTSecsuuzG1Dj/+8btzESvg/hHx1Auv2sGLmvKe6uCwunYfgviTuuKRbA4c bMX+hmhqDPUJ1QI6QH3R2I0IZ3ZApJ2jNpZRA3l4+IF4Ix6NblvW9OfcwOBNIjCtdqOZ p+AA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679612469; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tVKXmijH0irW2XtAxk0Sl8z6XPHsbfImH9n1UHZwkx8=; b=nR1jzjGMGRnSJl1PJJuheKYTByYRLxUjf7bHPf4E3P4VCW1TOe8hnGosQuwX6kemW9 /DaHaTG8/YLeJKPpqb23W/djeZdWUvCbmQrveX5EkXoL0cuiVpvPUhVXll1Fvt1upm/0 UkZJYglDklyTY7wx1cXw9IU+xxpz2xowHDlJIWRZ3kk4zHEYvFxKuQxAEqmBUFfxiXN4 DoomVBpIUhATH/lsufGR0dIWKMThD5M/79/DuKaYGpcx1iDWnV96XFi5fnSMKp8LQ6Ml RNwfako/9/kxyB5m6dNrS5TDrlvfkUDug62v1toqNQD9KuOKZXeYlgWBcUL8AwmPXAIP Hy3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9dheB5C36zGgKG6EivBr6TGG/d2Ri6gU6idil1PsdWVJLlR+r92 t27iVOEHsXARcxOrAPlp7Z0qc0/xI/hV8CVFCNKdkYvbJ/fo7KwB X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350ZNACjIEb0BJPsVSVuYXLSDA/zYmhjvDol6lR5tlbOAeut9L2zRD9b9TqjUAera74oX7Sh9fOjFfMAVlqGR/zI= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:644b:0:b0:2da:f0b5:258f with SMTP id d11-20020a5d644b000000b002daf0b5258fmr160257wrw.9.1679612464486; Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: none client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::431; envelope-from=bobnewell@bobnewell.net; helo=mail-wr1-x431.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143103 Archived-At: > Following references may be helpful to some people thinking to use > multi-column text in Emacs: > > There is (info "(emacs) Two-Column") in Emacs manual. Right, although I was referring to a different problem, namely that if you do a PDF to text conversion of a PDF with multi-column text, you typically don't get great results. Or at least I don't. I do better with OCR software that allows me to select a column at a time. But then we're getting into multiple manual steps, introducing OCR error, and in the end we are working with the text, not directly editing the PDF. (However extracting text is often enough for me.) > Example output produced by using RCD Paps packag for Emacs: > https://gnu.support/files/emacs/packages/rcd-paps/2023/03/2023-03-23/2023-03-23-12:27:05.pdf I didn't know about the RCD package. Looks useful and thank you for the pointer. > LibreaOffice Draw -- open PDF file and you will see you can edit many > things. > > Okular -- you can annotate and insert text > > Scribus and Xournal Yes, I use Xournal very often and sometimes Gimp in this manner for signing or annotating business documents received as PDFs. It is still not the same as directly editing. However if the reproduction is faithfully enough it is indeed possible to make significant changes and export back out as PDF. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i Via Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB.