From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolai Weibull Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A package in a league of its own: Helm Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 19:25:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <787f8d86-dede-4627-b4e5-3658a1833455@googlegroups.com> <73520ac0-9fc0-42ce-8a15-cc400b6f8308@googlegroups.com> <672a0d66-bc48-4b7a-9279-c7d631a03f79@googlegroups.com> <871trvjpnx.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <0e52cfc6-d6ed-4b45-bbd3-2cdd13fcc91b@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1409592375 14125 80.91.229.3 (1 Sep 2014 17:26:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 17:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Users To: "Tu, Do" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 01 19:26:07 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XOVMk-0001AI-Gz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 19:26:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33176 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOVMk-0005Gb-4I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54201) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOVMY-0005GS-IE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOVMX-0003NA-7d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:25:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qa0-x22d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d]:43674) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XOVMX-0003N3-0n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:25:53 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id f12so5185187qad.18 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 10:25:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QQeD7QZ/ekNwKBze9o09kiHKyAWXJ4JOIS5KvRA9qRw=; b=lDMrhSMoSPk4uXDfhMnMNb5cmCLeVdhv+9osaK1Z70YUPFIlu7nX0+w51PkiPWF9Jg 6cYDrrOkFJSFpCVUCNjIT4qVirbo4OVHWEtu6bWEpBd0XhdkJnZzhX/hKyzIbMpb6Saw //i41TS/mygFS65iWZN9FIzJgh7fShqOpc7Y1Hl6Hn4q8y60FtTw+w0OzjM9xkctpREj YXcttkleRri9exfPOLbLi9LAEgCHugyLM7QohCm3tSYJ6j75ThU3hz0rMpt7mvSMY8ZX Q/AcW1tGwwQccPLdgEY6dkAutcgTLaNLijsdGIbJatfli5VGT0nGEy7fAykowFBGUzsk NX4Q== X-Received: by 10.140.49.201 with SMTP id q67mr43768680qga.7.1409592351580; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 10:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.140.94.214 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:25:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0e52cfc6-d6ed-4b45-bbd3-2cdd13fcc91b@googlegroups.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: uzDqWkPx9QwW5KrVRi0qygvHuDs X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::22d X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:99567 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Tu, Do wrote: I seem to prefer ido for exactly the opposite reasons: > I think helm-find-files is much better than stock ido-find-file or even i= do-find-file because: > > - It has fuzzy matching by default. You have to install flx to get fuzzy = matching in ido. Ido comes with Emacs, which is a big plus. Flx can be installed from marmalade repo. > - Some people find that Ido horizontal listing is messy, so they create `= ido-vertical-mode` for cleaner looking. With Helm, you get this by default = with its interface. If you worry the Helm buffer is a bit big, you can alwa= ys customize its size. Configuring ido for vertical output requires one line of code: (setq ido-decorations (quote ("\n" "" "\n" "\n=E2=80=A6" "[" "]" " [No matc= h]" " [Matched]" " [Not readable]" " [Too big]" " [Confirm]"))) > - It has highlighting on candidates depend on types: directory has a colo= r, plain file has a color, executable has a color, shell script has a color= . I don=E2=80=99t select what file I want to open based on what color it has. If I know what I=E2=80=99m looking for, I don=E2=80=99t need visual aides t= o find it. If I don=E2=80=99t know what I=E2=80=99m looking for, I=E2=80=99ll open Dir= ed. > - Depends on what file type your highlighting candidate is, Helm opens it= appropriately. For example, if you RET on a directory, Helm opens dired; i= f you RET on a file, Helm opens that file. You can also customize the appli= cation to open the files. Stock find-file at least can open directory; Ido = simply can't. C-d in Ido opens the currently selected directory. > - You can open multiple files with helm-find-files by marking with C-SPC = and press RET. If you want to everything at current directory, you can use = M-a to mark all then RET. You can even use wildcard expression like stock f= ind-file If I want to work on multiple files at once, Dired does that for me. > - Helm has a list of actions to apply on your files: checksum file, open = file externally, switch to eshell, grep, diff... Again, Dired helps me out here. > - Helm is compatible with both Linux and Windows path. Ido can't; you hav= e to drop into stock find-file. I=E2=80=99m not sure if this is actually true, but you can always use slash= as a path separator on Windows if Ido can=E2=80=99t handle backslash (which I wouldn=E2=80=99t hold against it). My overall feeling when I looked at Helm when this thread appeared was that there=E2=80=99s already packages that do what Helm does that come with Emacs: Dired, Ibuffer, and Ido. Sure, Helm can interface with Delicious, my web browser, and so on, and if that=E2=80=99s something you w= ant to do, then Helm is great, but for me, Helm is trying to sell me stuff that I simply don=E2=80=99t need or want.